The mud did no healing at all, the God uses means line doesn't stand because the mud doesn't heal. He used mud so that the blind man had to go to the pool to wash, and that specific pool which has just been found by archeologists recently.
When the blind man was at the pool people were talking about the healing and the blind man said to the people 'ego eimi' meaning it is I of whom you speak, I'm the person who was healed. More people would be witness to the miracle, more people would spread the word, more would believe. So it served two purpose, the miracle is tied to a specific place which has been proven to exist and the whole point of Jesus performing miracles was to testify as to who he was so hence why he was sent to a public place to wash.
It wasn't the mud for healing, it was the instruction to go wash it off that is the reason ……in my opinion.
People in my family believe that because God is Spirit, He cannot interact with the World other than a physical means/cause. Like if someone prays a prayer, God cannot answer it without someone to deliver the answer to that prayer, because He’s limited-being Spirit rather than physical. This is paired with a lot of perspectives resting on practicality rather than the power of God. While we are called to act out our salvation and vocation as ambassadors for Christ, it seems almost like the end goal isn’t a Work of God, but an action or money to get things done for God/God’s people. Almost like we’re always looking to see how God does X or fulfills Y promise in a natural sense. Something about it seems off but I’m not sure how to put it into words.
Piper? What did you mean when you called prolifers presumptuous? What were you implying when you accused us of naivety? The only thing I presumed is that which I saw: Trump was installing life-saving judges. In your convoluted thinking you thought that would be lethal for the country. Don’t you see that each conception is a unique creation of God? I don’t even begin to understand your reasoning. But then, I never graduated from high school, much less college or seminary. Where do they teach that death is life and life is death? That up is down and left is right? Is that what they teach at your seminary? That would explain a lot.
Because my Lord, Jesus is a compassionate❤ Lord Jesus❤ had used variety( ways❤) in his cures. He could turn even the dirt of the earth into a medium of restoration. In Mark 8:22-25 the Bible said, "22 They came to Bethsaida, and some people bought a blind man and begged Jesus to touch him. 23 He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. When he had spit on the man's eyes and put his hands on him, Jesus asked, " Do you see anything?" 24 He looked up and said, " I see people( God's creation❤in Christ) they looked like trees walking around." 25 Once more Jesus❤ put ❤his hands ❤on the man's eyes. Then his eyes were opened, his sight was retored❤, and he saw everything clearly. 26 Jesus semt him home, saying, " Don't go into the village ." " ( Mark 8:22-26 Zondervan NIV Study Bible) Amen the work of God may display in him. In Jesus'name, i pray( ❤, Mark 7:33" 33 After he took him aside, away from the crowd, Jesus put his finger into the man's ears. Then he spit and touched the man's tongue."( Zondervan NIV Study Bible) and Mark 1:41 "41 Filled with ❤ compassion❤, Jesus reached out his hand❤ and touched❤ the man. " I am willing, " he ( Jesus 1 st ❤) said. " Be clean!" "( Mark 1:41❤ Zondervan NIV Study Bible) ; And Acts 6:6 "6 They presented these men to the apostles, who prayed❤ and laid their hands on them."( Acts 6:6 Zondervan NIV Study Bible) and " 7 So the word of God spread. The number of disciples in Jerusalem increase rapidly, and a large numbers of priests became obedient to the faith( in Christ)."( Acts 6:7 Zondervan NIV Study Bible) in Jesus'name, i pray( ❤). Amen.
“But that the works of God may be displayed in him” Jesus could be demonstrating how faith and baptism (obedience) makes us whole. Mud didn’t heal him -otherwise he wouldn’t have had to wash it off. It only demonstrates to the audience that he is dirty. The man’s faith in Jesus was demonstrated in his obedience when he went to the water to wash, which could symbolize baptism. Jesus is showing how his new covenant works. “But that the works of God may be displayed in him”
I did not Listen the sermon, cause i am not at home, but when i read the title, i thought, God the Father, created Humen out of the earth and so Christ did, what his Father did, and what he saw his Father doing in the beginning, when he was on his side.
3rd reason is that: Jesus wants that blind man to experience God's healing in the process since he couldn't see. 4th reason: for the blind to see God Himself right away the moment his vision is restored. If Jesus spoke N restored him, he would not know who healed him right after his vision was restored. We are all blind. We do not even know He is the One helping us. We can't experience God. Ask Him to let us experience Him, ask Him to open our eyes and see Him even in muddiness, spitle, dirt, etc (signifying our struggles, failures, trials, etc).
see, and understand not hear, and listen not listen, and heed not think they see, but are blind The water of life added to our fleshly clay is the spirit of truth. It makes us more than clay. The spirit of truth opens our eyes to the light of God and His truth.
John 9 Born That Way To Be Healed That Day
John 9:1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. 4I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
[John 1:9 The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. John 3:19 And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil. John 8:12 Once again, Jesus spoke to the people and said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows Me will never walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.” John 12:46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in Me should remain in darkness. ]
6When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay, 7And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing. 8The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged? 9Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he. 10Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened? 11He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight. 12Then said they unto him, Where is he? He said, I know not. [John 4:14 But whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a fount of water springing up to eternal life.” Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being. The water of life reinvigorates the clay.] 13They brought to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind. 14And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes. 15Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see. 16Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them. 17They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.
18But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight. 19And they asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see? 20His parents answered them and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind: 21But by what means he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: he is of age; ask him: he shall speak for himself. 22These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue. 23Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him.
24Then again called they the man that was blind, and said unto him, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner. 25He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see. 26Then said they to him again, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes? 27He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples? 28Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses’ disciples. 29We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is. 30The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvellous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes. 31Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. 32Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind. 33If this man were not of God, he could do nothing. 34They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.
35Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. 39And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. 40And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? 41Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist
The second argument seems like a decent argument for baptismal regeneration (although baptism is not the subject of the text). Anyone with thoughts on this?
He didn’t need the mud, He just felt like using it in that moment. It’s similar to how God doesn’t really need to use us, but He feels like it. He loves us greatly ❤
God was once again…. Reminding ALL creation of him being the creator.In the beginning he used the clay(Adamah Hebrew for clay) to form man out of the ground.He used water to mold and shape him like a potter. He then breathed the Ruach breathed into him and man became a living soul with blood.
I had this to preach on a few weeks ago and I came to the perhaps erroneous conclusion that the use of mud symbolised how creative this miracle was. This man, who is described as being born blind, was most probably born with unformed eyes – a condition known as Anopthalmia – to cure him was no small miracle and The Lord used the dust of the ground as He did when He formed Adam at the dawn of time – this concurs with Pastor John in that it plainly involves creation work, but I think it informs us more about who Christ is – He is our creator, the Logos, The Word of God who spoke the universe into being.
An awesome illustration for evangelism strategies 🙏🏼👼🧎♀️❤️
The mud did no healing at all, the God uses means line doesn't stand because the mud doesn't heal. He used mud so that the blind man had to go to the pool to wash, and that specific pool which has just been found by archeologists recently.
When the blind man was at the pool people were talking about the healing and the blind man said to the people 'ego eimi' meaning it is I of whom you speak, I'm the person who was healed. More people would be witness to the miracle, more people would spread the word, more would believe. So it served two purpose, the miracle is tied to a specific place which has been proven to exist and the whole point of Jesus performing miracles was to testify as to who he was so hence why he was sent to a public place to wash.
It wasn't the mud for healing, it was the instruction to go wash it off that is the reason ……in my opinion.
People in my family believe that because God is Spirit, He cannot interact with the World other than a physical means/cause. Like if someone prays a prayer, God cannot answer it without someone to deliver the answer to that prayer, because He’s limited-being Spirit rather than physical. This is paired with a lot of perspectives resting on practicality rather than the power of God.
While we are called to act out our salvation and vocation as ambassadors for Christ, it seems almost like the end goal isn’t a Work of God, but an action or money to get things done for God/God’s people. Almost like we’re always looking to see how God does X or fulfills Y promise in a natural sense. Something about it seems off but I’m not sure how to put it into words.
Witchcraft.
amen amen amen
Amen! 😇✝️❤️🙏
Amen 🤲 thanks 🙏
Piper? What did you mean when you called prolifers presumptuous? What were you implying when you accused us of naivety? The only thing I presumed is that which I saw: Trump was installing life-saving judges. In your convoluted thinking you thought that would be lethal for the country. Don’t you see that each conception is a unique creation of God? I don’t even begin to understand your reasoning. But then, I never graduated from high school, much less college or seminary. Where do they teach that death is life and life is death? That up is down and left is right? Is that what they teach at your seminary? That would explain a lot.
Because my Lord, Jesus is a compassionate❤ Lord Jesus❤ had used variety( ways❤) in his cures. He could turn even the dirt of the earth into a medium of restoration. In Mark 8:22-25 the Bible said, "22 They came to Bethsaida, and some people bought a blind man and begged Jesus to touch him.
23 He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. When he had spit on the man's eyes and put his hands on him, Jesus asked, " Do you see anything?"
24 He looked up and said, " I see people( God's creation❤in Christ) they looked like trees walking around."
25 Once more Jesus❤ put ❤his hands ❤on the man's eyes. Then his eyes were opened, his sight was retored❤, and he saw everything clearly.
26 Jesus semt him home, saying, " Don't go into the village ." " ( Mark 8:22-26 Zondervan NIV Study Bible) Amen the work of God may display in him. In Jesus'name, i pray( ❤, Mark 7:33" 33 After he took him aside, away from the crowd, Jesus put his finger into the man's ears. Then he spit and touched the man's tongue."( Zondervan NIV Study Bible) and Mark 1:41 "41 Filled with ❤ compassion❤, Jesus reached out his hand❤ and touched❤ the man. " I am willing, " he ( Jesus 1 st ❤) said. " Be clean!" "( Mark 1:41❤ Zondervan NIV Study Bible) ; And Acts 6:6
"6 They presented these men to the apostles, who prayed❤ and laid their hands on them."( Acts 6:6 Zondervan NIV Study Bible) and " 7 So the word of God spread. The number of disciples in Jerusalem increase rapidly, and a large numbers of priests became obedient to the faith( in Christ)."( Acts 6:7 Zondervan NIV Study Bible) in Jesus'name, i pray( ❤). Amen.
He might also have used the particular method that each individual person needed in order for them to have faith.
“But that the works of God may be displayed in him”
Jesus could be demonstrating how faith and baptism (obedience) makes us whole.
Mud didn’t heal him -otherwise he wouldn’t have had to wash it off. It only demonstrates to the audience that he is dirty.
The man’s faith in Jesus was demonstrated in his obedience when he went to the water to wash, which could symbolize baptism.
Jesus is showing how his new covenant works.
“But that the works of God may be displayed in him”
I did not Listen the sermon, cause i am not at home, but when i read the title, i thought, God the Father, created Humen out of the earth and so Christ did, what his Father did, and what he saw his Father doing in the beginning, when he was on his side.
Anyway thank you for all your hard work!
3rd reason is that: Jesus wants that blind man to experience God's healing in the process since he couldn't see. 4th reason: for the blind to see God Himself right away the moment his vision is restored. If Jesus spoke N restored him, he would not know who healed him right after his vision was restored. We are all blind. We do not even know He is the One helping us. We can't experience God. Ask Him to let us experience Him, ask Him to open our eyes and see Him even in muddiness, spitle, dirt, etc (signifying our struggles, failures, trials, etc).
Where’s the reference for this Pharisaic Law? Otherwise it’s just hearsay.
see, and understand not
hear, and listen not
listen, and heed not
think they see, but are blind
The water of life added to our fleshly clay is the spirit of truth. It makes us more than clay. The spirit of truth opens our eyes to the light of God and His truth.
John 9 Born That Way To Be Healed That Day
John 9:1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. 4I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
[John 1:9 The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world.
John 3:19 And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil.
John 8:12 Once again, Jesus spoke to the people and said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows Me will never walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.”
John 12:46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in Me should remain in darkness. ]
6When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay, 7And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing. 8The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged? 9Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he. 10Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened? 11He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight. 12Then said they unto him, Where is he? He said, I know not.
[John 4:14 But whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a fount of water springing up to eternal life.”
Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being. The water of life reinvigorates the clay.]
13They brought to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind. 14And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes. 15Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see. 16Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them. 17They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.
18But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight. 19And they asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see? 20His parents answered them and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind: 21But by what means he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: he is of age; ask him: he shall speak for himself. 22These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue. 23Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him.
24Then again called they the man that was blind, and said unto him, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner. 25He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see. 26Then said they to him again, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes? 27He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples? 28Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses’ disciples. 29We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is. 30The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvellous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes. 31Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. 32Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind. 33If this man were not of God, he could do nothing. 34They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.
35Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. 39And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. 40And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? 41Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist
If his spit and mud don't work, resort to other body fluids.
The second argument seems like a decent argument for baptismal regeneration (although baptism is not the subject of the text). Anyone with thoughts on this?
He used mud because he made man from dirt. He just used it again to remake or restore him from mud the same way he made Adam.
God rested from his work of creation, NOT all work.Walking is work.
He didn’t need the mud, He just felt like using it in that moment. It’s similar to how God doesn’t really need to use us, but He feels like it. He loves us greatly ❤
God was once again…. Reminding ALL creation of him being the creator.In the beginning he used the clay(Adamah Hebrew for clay) to form man out of the ground.He used water to mold and shape him like a potter. He then breathed the Ruach breathed into him and man became a living soul with blood.
I had this to preach on a few weeks ago and I came to the perhaps erroneous conclusion that the use of mud symbolised how creative this miracle was. This man, who is described as being born blind, was most probably born with unformed eyes – a condition known as Anopthalmia – to cure him was no small miracle and The Lord used the dust of the ground as He did when He formed Adam at the dawn of time – this concurs with Pastor John in that it plainly involves creation work, but I think it informs us more about who Christ is – He is our creator, the Logos, The Word of God who spoke the universe into being.