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Hey boss a fan has dropped the biggest one yet.
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Were they the most Humane? Absolutely. Were they the most Ethical? Absolutely fucking not.
Well even me I would destroy everything because of how well my ways of war so yes they were more humane in that way ethical as the ultramarines or lunar wolves were no they were NOT!
Uh no the night lords are about as humane or ethical the Dark eldar.
The most humane and ethical legions are the salamanders, alpha legion and thousand sons, at least during the great crusade.
It's one of those things that at first you're like "what are you talking about? how much have you been drinking?!" but then you start really thinking about it and it's like "he might have a point…"
I still wouldn't call them "the most ethical"- they skinned an entire cargo ship's crew and threw them out of the airlock, and that's not even in top 50 most messed up things they've done- but you absolutely can make a compelling argument that by far they have the least innocent blood on their hands, even less than Salamanders or Alpha Legion…
Did you know that a fan dropped a video
Happy prophet noises
Yeah the thing is that in reality terror tactics don’t necessarily work or, as demonstrated by Nostramo, don’t lay a sustainable groundwork for peace. Humans are not purely rational creatures. Thought during the crusade the problem was that it seem to mostly lack coordination since guys like Angron were just allowed to run wild instead of pointing them to targets fitting to them. It was done but most of time Legions were expected to just expand the imperium. But yes Prime Night Lords were interesting precisely because of the complexity of how to bring justice to the shitty universe.
Yeah but the worlds that the nightlords "conquered" were the first to rebel during the heresy as they had only been subjugated out of fear.
Subjugation through fear only works as long as the fear is present.
Compare that to Gulliman and Fulgrim, who's 1st option was to talk. Diplomacy and statesmanship. A majority of their conquests were completed through talking to the other side.
Yes of course, if talks failed the guns would come out, but talks were the 1st and primary option, always.
The night lords would roll up and ask for a surrender, no questions asked. If you didn't then they would start flaying kids immediately. There was no attempt to talk at all.
I like the aussie generally but he leaves out too many relevant details so as to seem to be in the right.
I lost it when he said that SEVATAR was a good person😂😂. Like the only arguably "good" thing he did was release his slaves near the end of his life.
Doesn't excuse every other horrible thing he did.
That's like saying Adolf Hitler was a humane and good person because he decided to spare 1 jewish kid from the gas chambers near the end of his life.
What an utter load of b.s. 😂😂
I wonder what Dorn thought of Curze when the Heresy kicked off proper
Hence why they are the only traitor legion I like.
The Nightlords are humane only if you are a hyper materialist that does not consider mental harm to be harm.
Yes, they did kill and physically harm waaaay less people then other legions, but they harmed the psyche of every single citizen on planets they conquered and those they did not as well since a lot of people heard of them.
If you actually consider psychological damage and harm, they are at least as much if not more destructive and harmful then other legions. They just bring harm, pain and suffering in a different way, that does not mean they didn't harm people.
Psychological torture is just as bad as physical torture
Psychological harm is just as bad as physical harm
The Nightlords are fucking awfull, don't try to pretend they are any better then other legions
Night Lord: gives guardsman a hug.
Guardsman: Is terrified and confused
Night Lord: "No one will believe you :)*
I'd say the closest comparison to real life the Night Lords had would be Vlad the Impaler since he used fear tactics when defending his homeland, but overall he wasn't really better or worse than anyone else at the time, impaling actually being a common method of execution, especially among the Ottomans. Hell, a lot of what Vlad did was either exaggerated or made up to defame him. Idk enough about the Night Lords to know if the same happened with them during the Great Crusade, but that would've been an interesting angle to take.
Death Guard reason for turning. Mortarian "You stole my kill so I'm turning on friendly fire."
They have the most least bloody compliance takeovers but just like nostramo as soon as the night lord's left they fell back into chaos. Not really a good argument for them being good. If anything the ultra marines and word bearers were better. They didn't have low casualties but they also didn't leave the world just to turn back into criminals and scum 5 minutes later.
Question how would Raiden from Metal Gear Rising compare to a Eversor in strength and raw power? Could he beat one?
Wouldn’t the Alpha Legion be the most “ethical” then because they use infiltration and espionage tactics they could just take over the planet government and no one would realize it
The Night Lords could've been the greatest of them all…if their recruitment hadn't been ruined by that fucking SIIIIIMP!!!!!!!!!
I disagree, the practises of the Night Lords work in the same way Konrad methods worked on his world.
Yes, the worlds surrendered with fewer losers but the moment the scary monsters go away those worlds will rebel.
Many say that they killed less to save the many but no, a conquest with armies, break the world and rebuild it loyal to the empire was killing the few to save the many.
Again, look at Konrad's home world.
Honestly the more I hear about Konrad, the more i'm intrigued by him. In a way, I don't think he was wrong about having to die by the assassin, either. Even Sanguinius knew he HAD to die by Horus, eventually…or that his visions would lead him to Horus, and everything else from there was unknown. Valdor himself consistently always told Leman that the Emperor has a plan for everything, and not to be fearful of the future. Certain things up until now definitely had to happen, even if a lot of the surrounding events were unforeseen, or unplanned. That's how prophecy kind of works in 40k – damned if you do, and damned if you don't act on it. But honestly the more I read about Konrad, the more O'm convinced that if it wasn't for Lionel Johnson and Konrad's own insanity, He [Konrad] could have been waay more of a gigantic menace during the Heresy. He could take on anyone, and as stated, he had beaten up Dorn.
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My favorite Primarch is Perterabo
The more I learn about the space wolves, the more I think the only reason they remained loyal is that they and their primarch were to brutish and stupid for even Khorne to want them.
Too easy to manipulate for tzeentch to care.
Too full of alcohol for Nurgle to infect.
And way too into wolves that even Slaneesh was turned off.
i never thought i would hear the words "curb stomp the baby" ever
"Suffering from one of his violent fits, Fulgrim rushed to Curze's aid. The Night Lords primarch then confided in his brother of the dire visions that he had seen; his death at the hands of their father, that many of the primarchs would die fighting amongst themselves, and that the light the Emperor brought to his homeworld of Nostromo would destroy it forever. Troubled by these dire portents, Fulgrim confided in his brother Rogal Dorn. Dorn took exception to this slight on the Emperor's name and confronted Curze. Shortly thereafter, Dorn was found unconscious and bleeding with great gouges of flesh ripped away from his torso."
Key points: "The Night Lords primarch then confided in his brother of the dire visions that he had seen." "Dorn took exception to this slight on the Emperor's name and confronted Curze."
To my knowledge, this was the first time Konrad ever tried to open up to his brothers, and Dorn was offended that he had the GAUL to say something bad about daddy dearest. Yeah, I'm sorry, Fists, but Dorn is an asshole.
I doubt it
The one thing Konrad fucked up on is not sufficiently brushing up on his Machiavellian philosophy. Even an Ogryn could tell you, albeit with some difficulty, that Machiavelli said 'It is better to be feared than loved', but what most forget is that Machiavelli was very much a 'desperate times call for desperate measures' kind of guy, and he outlines in his work that not all times are desperate, and there are times where one must be a ruler and not a despotic tyrant. 'The Prince' specifically, the source of that infamously misunderstood quote of Machiavelli's, was written to appeal to those very despots who signed Machiavelli's paychecks, and he did so in full knowledge that the fools who took his work at face value would go from being feared to being hated and subsequently ousted from power, while those who had the sense to read between the lines and look to Machiavelli's other works would know to foster love and devotion when times of crisis and desperation ended, because while it is better to be feared than loved, it is better still to be feared AND loved. Who outside of the most dedicated members of the Night Lords and the kindest of the Primarchs could earnestly say that they loved Konrad Curze?