The Veil.. a mysterious paracausal object tied to the traveler and hidden on Neptune. The Witness said the Traveler’s pale heart holds the key and the key may be on Neomuna. Today we discuss what we know on the Veil, it’s connections to the Traveler and Witness and Savathun’s involvement during the first collapse
“Destiny 2 The Veil”
“Destiny 2 Lightfall”
“Destiny 2 Lightfall The Veil”
“Destiny 2 The Travelers Pale Heart”
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Remember way back in Destiny 1 when we faced the Heart in the Black Garden? It was called the Heart of Darkness. What if the Witness is actually speaking to the Veil and the pale heart which holds the key is the Traveler?
Savathun is the Professor Snape of Destiny. Change my mind.
What Eris said in the end of Duality? Thats is the objective of the Witness and the True use of the Key… to achieve… The _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ E
What if the witness is trapped and the key would set it free
I think it the one who deleted the Neptune data was someone Neptune since they already know who we are and don’t want anything to do with are war.
Be interesting if Osiris wasn’t the first person Savathun impersonated and she also did the same with Nezereck pretending to him/her/it…Nezereck committed a sin and also died, wouldn’t be hard for Sav assume that role
What is the intro Music?
I think its possible that we are the bad guys, it started with gardener and the widower, we invaded the black garden. Its also said the witness isnt darkness but just wears it as a cloak. Its possible they werent referring to that witness considering in savathuns truth and lies, she says "the traveler isnt the only one of its kind." Ive always also found it weird that something that we call "the light" isnt trying to save everyone. Its only a race at a time while "the darkness" has been lending a hand to everyone. Its just a theory of course but even savathun says "the line between light and dark is so very thin… do you know which side youre on?" It could be possible that the story is flipped. Even byf said something like the veil was said in lore to have connections to the darkness but now its linked to the traveler?
I think we he saids your pale heart holds the key; might jus be a metaphor for say once your dead we can unlock a new era
what if the veil is like a way to make ghosts, Only the traveler can make ghosts, what if the witness wants that. tha "life after death" made me think of that
What if the the veil allows it’s user to be undetected by any sort of force, being, entity, etc. and the traveler is the key to accessing the veil so that’s why the witness chases after the traveler to access the veil making him undetectable to everything so he can beat the game between the gardener and the winnower and become the final shape
I'd almost be mad if The Veil is just a very uncreative name for some kind of cloaking device 🤦🏾
Savathün could have used it to cloak the Traveler & maybe a small portion of the Earth. Then hid it on Neomuna as a last-ditch hope for humanity.
It being on Neomuna makes sense, since we haven't been able to find the place until Lightfall. The Veil is likely damaged or disrupted by Calus, making Neomuna visible for the Witness & humanity to find again 💁🏾
I keep going back to the nine with this. As far as I know they're the only other paracausal entities in the destiny universe.
I noticed the veil helmet called APOTHEOSIS VEIL it mite be a key or a description of the world…..Apotheosis Veil
Most helmets protect the mind from the universe. Not this one.
"There are those who see the Void as dark. It is the folly of the simple mind, unable to perceive the brilliant richness of nothingness. The Void is not only the absence of Light, but Dark. To harness the Void is to enter a state of tranquility, free from the clatter of ordinary matter.
Wear this Veil and feel the Void. It is not a force of malice, no more charitable or heinous than gravity. The Void is a tool to be wielded by the patient, nothing more and nothing less. If you respect the Void, then one day you too shall step upon this pristine realm."
—Unknown Voidwalker
I think the witness is going to collide a pyramid ship with the traveler to create a singularity or gate and use the pale heart to enter
“The guardians will soon learn to move planets” … perhaps the veil will allow us to “move” or hide earth or the traveller in the same way savathun hid the traveller in her throne world. Using Mara and the techeuns , versus hive magic
Man Traveler is the most bitchmade character in this whole 8 years of this game
I have a very bold prediction, that as of now I haven't seen anyone els mention for Lightfall / the Vail particularly .
Remember the scrapped Destiny 1 intro cutscene, where there is a mysterious female figure that greets the cosmonaughts on Mars and tells them of the traveler's arrival, just before it starts to rain?
Well I just couldn't shake the feeling that this figure might just finally be utilized again next season, as I assume the Veil isn't an artifact or anything of the sort, rather a prelude to guardians, a being of pure light (or Dark, or hell why not both?) itself aka this woman and well she might just be what kept Neomuna going all this time.
Alternatively this figure could also represent something that exists between the fine line of Light and Dark, something akin to the Nine. Though either way something inside me just feels like this character will finally be utilized as the "Veil" that has been aluded to many times before.
regarding Savathun's trick against the Witness during our Collapse: Was her trick to convince the Witness that the Traveler was dead? We saw the black ships "wake up" after the Red War, when the Traveler's pulse swept the system. Were the ships asleep because their great enemy was thought to be dead, but the pulse revealed the truth that it wasn't?
The Veil being a kind of bridge between life and death makes sense. What is the witness's final goal? The Final Shape. Shape of what? Existance? If that the case then that is cold death. The Witness may think it to be a release from existence's cycle of death and life. Which the Traveller represents. A Light in a Dark place. So the Veil maybe some kind of relic that holds power over Light and Dark that the Traveller gave the Sav after her deception.
What if the key. Is the source of the gardners interference in the flower game?and the witness speaks to gain access to this under the influence of the widower. And the final shape is use combating and dealing with this new change in paracausal law
The Veil is a backdoor into Sol. The Witness has always acted by proxy in Sol, never physically existent. It's trapped somewhere and needs to hire agents like Calus to act on it's behalf. In classical alchemy, Saturn is the last planet in Sol: Neptune would then represent the barrier, or beyond the barrier, of Sol. Consider that the Witch Queen introduced tonnes of alchemical symbology but never used it. Perhaps the Veil blocks the Witness from entering the Traveller directly; which is what we see happening in the Lightfall trailer.
This raises an interesting question: if the Witness was sent back "amongst the stars", and in classical cosmology, the stars were part of a fixed spherical shell around Sol… perhaps Sol is a kind of Ascendant Realm or Throne World for the Traveller, and that's why the Veil is needed to get in. Why can the Black Fleet get in then? Same reason we can physically enter Savathun's Throne World, despite the fact that it's not physically real. This also explains why Savathun thought transferring the Traveller to her Throne World would help: if the Witness pierced the Veil and infiltrated the Traveller, it would also be trapped in her own mind and thus subordinate to her power. Would have been a real checkmate move.
I'm not sure that The Witness was speaking to and of the traveler in those lines…. He looks straight at us…. What if he/she is talking to us? Why would the Witness tell the Traveler "Do not be afraid"?
A veil is also considered a thin membrane between two things. Think bridal veil or veil between our world and that of the dead.
I think The Veil is what Savathun used to trick the witness during first collapse, and she left it on neptune, I think the veil is being used to keep their city and such cloaked on neomuna. I could be wrong, but it would make sense, seeing as how theres that grid system above everyone and none of the neomuna humans are present, but we see golden misty forms. Just a thought
We're getting the ability to move planets, baby!
My theory is that the witness needs the travelers light mixed with his darkness to open the veil= gateway to the garden. So he can create/reshape our reality to his image. ie the final shape.
Bungie chopped the story telling in D1 and totally ignored the actually story for the majority of the game. Then they pick it up like the story has been being told all along. What a joke. They did this only because they want to market the story. That is equivalent to reading the end of an actual good novel. Bungle's attempt at storytelling has been and F- for years and Still remains that for me. Story is a joke just like the 10 year plan to farm our wallets with a shitty subpar server and lazy minimal effort at creating a decent game.
The key is the pale heart of the traveler.
Now, pale heart could either mean Dispirited; cowardly; craven.
But it can also mean… dead.
Think about it. The witness wants the Traveler, but more specifically, it wants it's heart.
Now, the we know the Traveler was… dormant ever since Destiny 1, all the way to end of the Red War, when it reactivated and sent that shockwave across the universe, alerting the pyramid ships and the witness.
If the Witness was the one who made our collapse, then it was there. But why didn't it take the traveler during that time? The traveler was there, but everything else was devastated and the Traverler laid dormant.
In the lore: Ghost Fragment: The Traveler, it said that it tried to live as invisibly as possible.
THE TRAVELER PLAYED DEAD.
The witness didn't come for it, because it thought the heart of the traveler was dead, and thus, unusable for his plans. But ever since it woke up, the Witness knew he had been deceived.
By Savath'un.
She told the Witness that the Traveler was dead, so she could learn from it and get the light from it… to fight the Witness, something it specifically didnt want to happen.
tldr: There's something inside the traveler the Witness wants. The final shape is the end of the light and darkness saga. The veil is made to hide/lock something away, and the traveler has the key. So no matter what, we're not going to know what until next year and we unlock it.
My prediction? That OXA thing that is supposed to have galaxy-levels of knowledge and, more importantly, the key to life and death itself. And how to control it.
I would also like to put out there that effrideet could have deleted the files as well, she left and we haven't seen her since and she was part of a "pacifist colony" somewhere in the system. I would surmise that the colony is neomuna because it's the only place she could have went to that would be accepting of the help, she could have also trained the cloudstriders to help them defend themselves. Maybe off base but I don't know what else it could've been
Hm? How can the travellers pale heart hold the key when it may be on Neomuna at the same time as you argue?
I believe the traveller holds the key, but it could be the key to the veil or the key to something different, that´s covered by the veil at the moment.
Season of the Mcguffin
Sav trapped him somewhere. I have to imagine that Savathun tricked him into taking some portal, probably opened by the veil and then she locked the door behind him and hid the key on Neptune.
It wouldn't be savathun you're the greatest trick was a relation of what you your senses that's what are smart said the likely suspect would be Clovis
What if the veil is connected to the gardener in some way and the witness wants to to kill or harm the traveler? Or use the veil for the darkness?
I think it was the veil Savathun used to deceive the witness and she was probably the one who deleted the files on Neomuna.
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Wild guess – There were 3 shapes:
Traveler – Round / Power: Control Life
Witness – Triangle/ Power: Manipulating Time (I vaguely remember there was one line in witch queen that said: it's weird that the light can give life to ppl but losing all the past memory, while the darkness can let us c through time and memory…also we can recover and craft the glaive bcoz of the pyramid thingy)
The Veil – Final Shape/ Power: Manipulating world space and dimension ( The Veil is in Neomuna, Vex who was known to be able to manipulating dimesion and space also there, so …)
For some reason both the traveler and witness were searching for The Veil, final shape….
first Cayde…now Rasputin…. how many people close to us have to die….
Neat