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FNG, I appreciate the shoot out.. you guys are awesome keep up the good work. Those hats have been through hell and back.
I think that all military thinking of going special forces should see this movie
I wish they had broken the herders ankle hind sight is 2020
Bullshit flag Buck.. We never turned down any mission with ODA(20 & 7 GROUP) we RARELY had apache cover. On big ops perhaps a couple kiowas, E6 intruders, F18'a or 16's depending on who was available.. And God!! By that I mean the Spectre gunships. On those heavy missions it waa multiple ODA and indig commandos. They were the ones we used that had been trained in Jordan. Iraqi special forces were special alright. On one mission their commander sat his shorty AK down, unfastened his seat belt and assaulted without a weapon.
C.Co. 2-25 AVN. DARKHORSE!!! 06-08 tal afar Iraq. OPCON TF HORSEMEN 1/17 CAV 82nd ABN.
So my first thought when I watched this was ziptie them together so they move slow do you believe that would have been a viable option
Do you guys really believe this is how it went down? Like letting goat herders compromise a mission and failing to identify a false peak, do SF guys really make multiple mistakes like that in the same mission. No disrespect, I'm just very skeptical of the accuracy.
Personally i think band of brothers is the greatest so far. But lone survivor is up there
I only had 2 problems with this movie and they both have to do with the film makers. One is, they could have amplified the relationship between latrell and the local that took him in. More story line, dialogue etc. I would have sat through a slightly longer movie. The second is what I call the Midway syndrome where they over amplify the main characters development and underdevelop supporting cast to the point where everyone else looks incompetent.
I fight and trust me the banter and also the initiation scene is very similar to the pecking order. because the people who have known each other for a long time and have had corner time and sparring partners where even though we know how bad brain damage is we still kick the shit out of each other….. its a independent sport but your teammates is family because all achievements are shared because its literal blood sweat and tears… even after they stop fighting. because even though ur the only one in the cage your brothers are with you in the fight
The worst movie example of the “hero” is Windtalkers with Nicholas Cage.
The entire movie is Mr. Cage spraying 20 rounds from his Thompson, and killing half a dozen Japanese.
There’s no other gear…just absurd war-movie BS.
You guys are more of a recruiting tool for the military then the movies you review… DOD needs to become a sponsor… and Budweiser 😅
Their looking for the guy who is willing to be vulnerable because it shows your embracing your team..
One thing I noticed y’all never mention is Spec Ops go in before anyone else, y’all also fight in conflicts so we don’t have to fight in wars! So, many may think SF only fights in two countries Iraq and Afghanistan… however, y’all go to countries many civilians don’t know exist! Y’all are true Special Operators very humble… but on YouTube y’all should let these mofo know… they may look up and be in the Horn of Africa making clicking sounds trying to communicate with the locals lmao! Love your videos!!!
im the only male that i know of in my family that dident serve but this film made me cry;; im proud of my family and friends that have passed
Eddie Gallagher was a completely different situation. That was SEALs trying to fuck him and the Navy not giving a shit. I'm not going to say I'm an expert but from what i gathered watching his interview on the Sean Ryan show, he seems innocent.
Marcus Luttrell played a big role in the making of this movie and that's why it's so accurate.
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Watched it twice and watched 13 hours 3 times and i'm not done. Just absolutely stunning movies. Anyone that doesn't love those movies can eat a dk sandwich.
Have you covered the Outpost? Worth watching and re watching
If that was me, I would have taken the Afghans prisoner, marched them to where we could get good comms, take them to the pick up point and then waited for the heli before releasing them with some rations and secured together by a line, slowing their progress back to the village.
Why wouldn’t they just tie up the kid and his mouth? Would’ve saved him from being murdered and he would’ve 100% been found my Taliban anyway.
“Cav scouts getting in as many gun fights as us” 🤣🤣😘 don’t be mad because you didn’t get our sweet Stetson. If you ain’t Cav.
1:10 look I hate to do this but I remember your story and how you mentioned how “you hate getting into stupid gunfights” and well
Here’s what actually happened.
The Marines of 2nd Battalion, 3rd Marines, who had planned OP RED WINGS, were going after a relatively low level target named Ahmed Shaw, as their previous operations, and the unit they'd replaced, had nabbed all the known high and medium value targets successfully.
Unfortunately, they were not part of a Marine Air Ground Task Force, and didn't possess organic lift assets needed to conduct it. So they asked for helo support from 160th SOAR (the famed Night Stalkers) who were assigned to Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force-Afghanistan (CJSOTF-A). The region SOTF command was run by SEALs who only agreed as long as they were to run the recon, and act as the main effort assault element to conduct the air assault raid against the target buildings thought to house the HVTs, while the rest of the Marine infantry company tasked with supporting missions, specifically the outer cordon. Because they had no options, and they wanted the mission to go ahead to nab the bad guy, the Marines agreed. This is not uncommon, its actually the norm. SOCOM are often on the lookout for good missions and they often get them from "poaching" intel or fully developed ops from conventional units.
Per the planning of Red Wings, the recon element was was going to be inserting the day before on the high ground nearby to three named areas of interest (NAI) that were supposed to be under observation to spot the targets. They were supposed to not only confirm the presence of Shaw, but also provide additional intel. 2/3 had planned to conduct the recon using a Scout Sniper six man team, headed by a very experienced team leader. They had worked in that area often before, knew the relative ground, knew the limitations of radios, etc. Their plan was to get helo lifted miles away from the objective, land, then infiltrate by foot.
When the SEALs poached the recon mission, the new recon element was a four man team who had never worked recon in Afghanistan before, weren't trained in recon, only one individual ever having deployed to a combat zone before. They ignored advice to bring more powerful radios, as the Marines knew from experience that the one the SEALs brought couldn't push out far enough, it didn't have enough power. Additionally, the SEAL recon team didn't have a Primary, Alternate, Contingency, Emergency (PACE) plan for comms, only having the weak MBITR and a sat phone as backup. Neither were adequate, and they were warned.
More so, their plan was significantly flawed. Not wanting to spent the time and energy walking to the objective, they decided to get helo inserted a few hundred meters away. They attempted to mitigate the risk of landing near directly on the Observation Point (OP) by having numerous false insertions done all over the valley area over the previous week, to keep the locals guessing, which only ended up tipping them off that an operation was in the works. But in recon, its an outright sin to ever airlift onto the OP. Every measure must be taken to keep it hidden, to keep the presence of the recon team hidden.
After they fast roped down on the landing zone, per norm, the fast ropes were disconnected from the helicopter, but the SEAL recon team did not hide them, they left them in the open. Locals, sent out when they'd heard the choppers, found them pretty quickly, and using their own comms, reported it back. At that time the SEAL team had made it to the high ground and beyond, were trying to find a good OP to overwatch the NAIs, which proved difficult as the position they initially chose at night proved poor when light came at dawn. After daybreak they moved OPs.
Map of area and NAI and OPs
The locals, knowing ISAF rules of engagement, sent up some unarmed individuals, with radios, with some sheep, into the hills to scout them out. This is a common TTP in COIN ops to find snipers and recon element hide sites. In Iraq, they'd sent kids or unarmed adults to check on certain buildings, knowing we wouldn't kill them if we found them. If they found us, they'd report back. It worked during Red Wings. The SEAL recon team was spotted. Compromised, they detained the sheepherders.
At that point the operation was blown. They have just been soft compromised, though without knowing it they'd also been hard compromised as those herders were part of a deliberate counter-recon element so Shaw and the enemy fighters in the village knew they'd been caught when they didn't report back. But because the SEAL recon team never established a formal plan for being compromised they had to make the decision on the spot of what to do. Instead of executing the actions of a pre-made drill for compromise, (depending on the story version) they got into a debate about what to do and even possibly held a vote. Confusion was also on what to do with the detainees. AT NO TIME WAS KILLING THEM ACTUALLY A LEGAL OPTION. Or realistic. The easiest thing to do would have been to gag them and flex cuff them to a tree. Instead they let them go (where they instantly ran off to warn everyone), while the SEALs picked up and moved, but not far.
So after being compromised, the SEALs moved to high ground to make the call on their radio to alert the command element what had happened. Note, they didn't vacate the area, they moved maybe a hundred meters away from where they'd been spotted. Meanwhile, their comms weren't working, so the radio traffic was broken taking far longer than it should have without any real benefit of transmitting information.
Meanwhile, the local enemy, realistically numbering about 12 fighters, having been briefed by the returning herders on the location of the SEALs, their size, their weapons, created a plan, climbed the hills to reach a position where they could ambush the infidels on their way back up to the high ground which was on the way back to the LZ (which they sent RPG gunners to overwatch in case a helicopter showed up).
Finally, the SEAL recon team moving back toward the high ground through a draw (the NE Gulch), but got ambushed at relatively close range by roughly a squad sized element in strength, with machine guns. Possibly RPG and mortar, though in the video the insurgents made I never saw evidence of explosive weaponry.
Map of ambush, blue arrow is SEAL retreat
The fight was brief, and the SEALs that weren't hit immediately tried to break contact downhill. Luttrell effectively fell down the mountain, while the patrol leader, Mike Murphy, made a call on the sat phone before dying. The other two died during this time too. They didn't kill any of the locals, it was an entirely one sided fight.
The Quick Reaction Force 10 SEALs in a 160th SOAR Chinook, escorted by two Apaches. The SEAL mission commander aboard the Chinook ordered the pilots to reach the LZ ASAP, and because the Chinook flies faster than the Apaches they arrived first. Because the Apaches weren't present, despite them having the thermal optics that would have been able to visually clear the landing zone, and the weaponry to physically clear it, the Chinook flared and started its landing, in broad daylight, under the observation of RPG gunner stationed there, and was targeted and hit, crashing, killing all onboard.
Map of area of operations, with original RT insertion LZ and QRF LZ/Shootdown pos marked
Another SOCOM QRF element, of primarily Rangers, were sent in the next day, they landed elsewhere and walked in, they are the ones who found Luttrell, who had been rescued by a villager in a local village, who apparently still had all his mags, loaded. They also recovered the bodies and secured the helicopter crash site.
Besides recovering all weapons and equipment belonging to the SEALs, and having video footage of the fight, the local leader and target of the raid, Ahmed Shaw, also got a computer they'd brought that once broken into possessed the schematics of the US embassy in Kabul, as well as other sensitive information. He took that intel, and the videos, and cobbled together an effective propaganda video that earned him major credibility, which led to increased funding, recruitment, etc., causing him to turn into a legitimate High Value Target.
Loved the movie as well…the only thing I didn't like was that Dan Bilzerian bought his way into it.
at 41:28 that's Marcus Luttrell!
I am a Recon Marine Vietnam era, this is crap show folks? noooo way this guy would ever survive th falls and allllll simple sucks to see phoney crap
Ty for the warning at beginning. My Dad never let us watch war anything in the house. I used to think it was for him, but now I know it was for me
"and everyones gay here " 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Just read the book after the movie. This Brit truck driver worked with KBR 11 years shipping fuel. Basically this is shout out to my fellow drivers. USA has the finest military on this planet. We had National Guard units as escorts, OUTSTANDING.
45 years ago I served with the Royal Marines, so I was curious how to see the " Yanks" perform. OUTSTANDING.
" Frenchy" was my handle.
Listening to you guys break down the planning phase makes so much sense, but is so easy to just not think about. Scouring the intel and data of regular military history along the routes/region in question? No brainer, but so so so easy to just not even think about doing….
History channel had a series called The Warfighters and episode 2 is about this operation from the stand point of the rangers involved in the rescue mission and it was an incredible behind the scene look at what happened
Love you but Less talking and more breakdown
Do act of valor