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Chapters:
Intro – 0:00
What Actually IS AF1? – 2:19
AF2’s Unique Capabilities – 4:26
Imperfect Replacements – 5:26
A Creative Fix – 7:20
Historical Precedent – 8:35
Closing Thoughts – 10:14
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In just a few days time, the United States Government will undergo a transfer of power. During this handoff, a new cabinet will be seated, a new congress will get to work, and most importantly a new president will be sworn in. But while these government transformations happen every few years, a few symbols of American democracy always endure. The presidential fleet of aircraft is one of them – with Air Force One now set to serve its 7th administration.
And if all goes according to plan, this’ll be its last. Come 2029, the Air Force will refresh the presidential fleet with a pair of new aircraft. But what about the Vice President’s plane – Air Force Two? The Air Force 2 platform is also growing old, but as far as we know there are no plans to modernize it. And that’s for good reason – replacing Air Force 2 is going to be a massive headache. Let me explain…
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If the USA don't want top buy an Airbus A321XLR they should think about a Gulfstream G700, at least then the Air Force would get a modern plane with a modern sidestick cockpit. It is so embarrassing that Boeing as the only commercial manufacturer has not come up with a modern sidestick cockpit which is now standard with Airbus, Gulfstream, Bombardier and Embraer. Boeing is so much behind technology wise.
Make a nice executive C 17 problem solved!
Both of these engines are deeply unreliable.
As RR re-engines the B52 fleet it would make perfect sense to use the same engines or use the new efficient jets or wait until 2026 for the the new RR ultrafan which could be accepted for the new glob master.
0:27 poor Joe Biden, surrounded by both Donald Trump and Donal Trump
0:52 and you know what else is massive?
What about the C-17? With a modded interior.
They will likely erase the category in the Air Force and replace with a 787-8 and the 737 max 7 or 8. The budget overruns of the two 747-8s will likely make re-engining unlikely.
if I could have a private jet it would be an md11
Why can’t they pay Boeing to make them a custom 757 based on the original plans? Maybe a few updates to technology?
I'm unsure why you're focusing on re engining the af2 planes,it's a military aircraft used in small numbers, fuel burn isn't a problem nor is parts,as you say same engines used on c17. Airframe hours is going to be the problem and will govern replacement,if at this time they decide to do such heavy maintenance to the airframe essentially returning it to a zero hours airframe (as they've done with the kc135 and b52) they might consider a engine swap,but only if it's in conjunction with the c17 having engine replacement,however extremely unlikely. The reason why is the kc135 and b52 started life with turbo jet or low bypass turbo fan engine which were extremely underpowered and extremely thirsty, replacing an aircraft with turbo fan engines for newer turbo fan engines really doesn't make sense for government use, it does however make sense for airline aircraft to have new versions of engines on new versions of the airframe
I think it will be a 757 for probably a very long time WITH the PW200s, they were made up until 2016, so I wouldn't expect them to even think about anything different until at least 2040, until then they'll be fine keeping them updated.
Just use the 787
C17. Install monitors in place of windows. The fuselage interior can be sound insulated fairly easily.
I'd like it better if the "President" had to start flying commercial like everyone else! Enough with the "Special Treatment"!
Air Force One has served more than 7 administrations. It's a call sign.
Same as AF2, there is no replacing it, the call sign is fine.
Airbus A380 is a good replacement for the airforce 1
2029 delivery ?? Really? Why so late ??
Smaller, but maybe a 737-700 with extra fuel tanks for short field stuff.
Crappy video. Mixture of all kinds of aircraft and airlines.
Just a question, am in agreement with the 787-8 being a viable option. The 757 with a range of 4,000 NM with load take-off roll needed vs. a 787-8 with a fuel load needed for a 4,000 NM trip (which would be apples to apples since a 787-8 has a 7,355 NM with a full load).
No such thing as Air Force 2! You have no idea what you’re talking about! The C-32A has little hours on the Air Frames and for their age not that many landings! The 757 used is robust and can fly for years Call sign for an Air Plane the VP flies on has a call sign of SAM xxxx, not Air Force 2
I think they will just use a modified 737 max 8 until boeing will make a replacement for the 757-200
Nice video, but you're a couple of decades off on the KC135 re-engine program. I believe it started in the early 80s. The first one that I saw with new engines was in 1985.
A correction: AF1/2 is not the callsign of any fixed wing military jet carrying the President or VP, it's the callsign of any USAF aircraft carrying the president or VP. A Navy aircraft carrying the President would be, and has been in the past, called "Navy One" (only one Navy One in history and it was a Lockheed S3 that landed on the USS Abraham Lincoln in 2003 with GW Bush). It's why Marine One is called Marine One (has nothing to do with rotor vs. fixed wing)
They should just get an A220-300, similar range and short field performance
maybe like a 787-8?
8:47 the 707 is based off the 367-80 which is the same as the KC-135 so the 707 is a modified KC-135.
A330ACJ or A321XLR ACJ?
The US airforce has been a early adopter for so many planes. That's kind of of a wild statement. The C-137 which was used to transport the president was adopted early I'm the 707s life. Yes the 74 and 75 came years after the development of these planes but why would they replace ten year old jets that didn't give them a big jump in capability?
They could always modify a C17.
I know that airbus has American manufacturing plants, since Delta has some American-made A321s, so they could still be “American”, just not from Boeing
@2:35 "any fixed wing military jet…" is incorrect.
The aircraft's branch of the military makes up the call sign.
The U.S. Marine helicopter carrying the President is Marine One.
Any U.S. Air Force aircraft carrying the President is Air Force One. The most recognized is the Air Force VC-25.
Navy One is the call sign for any U.S. Navy aircraft carrying the President.
Army One is the call sign for any U.S. Army aircraft with the President on board.
Coast Guard One is the call sign for any U.S. Coast Guard aircraft with the President on board.
If the President is flying on board a private aircraft the call sign is Executive One.
For me, I would use an A350-1000 or an A321-900ULR, because those planes are just badass.
There is no dedicated Air Force 2, there are 4 C-32 aircraft used to fly Cabinet Level officials
Is there anyone left standing who doesn’t think Boeing absolutely screwed the moose by not updating the incredible 757? There wouldn’t be a A321Extra range if the bean counters at Boeing had listened to the airlines and aviation affectionados?
The 757 is the best transport aircraft ever made, period.
Obviously they should use the 737-Max.
6:03 what about the A321XLR
Can always use Trump Force1 When AF1 is too large for an airport.
787. Done.
For AF 2 it might make sense to go to Gulfstream and have them upsize a plane and engine combination that could be uniquely for this use. Would allow them to still have the shorter take off and landing but still have great range and the plane could be built from the ground up for this purpose. Yes it would be expensive, but still less than what a newer airliner would cost.
The USAF can get two B787-800s for AF2 and call it a day. 😌😌
The KC-135 is not based on the 707, instead, it's a clean sheet design known to Boeing as the Model 717, which is shorter, and narrower than the 757, Coby. If you want to see the differences, than I recommend finding the KC-135 Stratotanker Walk Around book from Squadron Signal Publications, and inside the book, is a chart showing differences between the Model 368-80, the 707, and the KC-135 airframes.
The KC-135 Re Engining Program was conducted in the 1980's for all Active Duty, and Reserve Component KC-135s. The program you're talking about, was for the RC-135 fleet, and that was done in the 2000's.
How long have the Boeing B-52s been flying? I think that the the US military could find a way to keep Air Force One and Two going for a while.
C-17