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Thousand Sons really need some kind of command point generation (a pseudo captain), some points drops, and another unit or four (some pseudo-devastators, some jump-pack melee troops, and some infiltrators?). There's plenty else wrong with the list such as DPs not having deepstrike, the daemon rules being stupid (the one battleline per other unit thing should only apply to Epic characters, anything else should be fair game). Then you might see more varied lists. But right now, it's mostly the points values. You just can't get enough on the board easily enough to have any amount of sustain or durability or even reliability.
"Having everything go right" applies to every army, just the top two tiers also have "some things can go wrong and I'll still be fine". Thousand Sons doesn't really have that.
Only having one detachment (and one "does the same but worse and harder to do" detachment, so like 1.2 detachments) doesn't help either.
I think a beginner/casual tier list explaining why it's different compared to this elite player list would be super informative.
Wow Jack taking Blood Angels to LVO with a new list architype that he created.. feels like the good old days.. Lest go Jack. Time for the 2nd LVO win.
So no rating for regular chaos daemons?… I guess its probably true that daemons being able to mix together is going the way of Forgeworld and disappearing soon
When Richard Siegler says T'au are too hard to play 💀
Bridgehead with indirect has to be the most unfun looking archetype since eldar.
You show up tailored for the matchup or get sent home
Excellent info and tier list guys 🙌🙌
I’m not sure about some of the comments regarding Necrons and SSA. Not every star shatter list is running 3 DDAs. I’ve seen a lot of the top Necron players preparing lists with just the one and running flayed ones, tomb blades, stalkers, lokhusts etc. They all significantly benefit from the detachment and can screen/scout/shoot&scoot/deep strike etc. support TSK and DDA shooting.
I agree, anyone can beat anyone. This has been a meta that focus alot more on personal skills as oppose to list building, which is a great thing.
@artofwar Seigs or Jack what do you imagine they change for T’au to bring it back to Solid 40K tier?
We can’t take many more price cuts I’m already bringing literal horde numbers of models to games lol
They need to reduce every GK unit by 25%. Thats the main issue. When you put them vs other units in other armies they just aren't worth the massive hike in points.
DBones comments best part
Where do you place demons as chaos undivided?
Well, Orks won 5! Events this weekend with 3 different detachments. Or was it 4? I’d probably put them in top tier
Step one. Don't play white scars. We stopped existing.
Finally someone understood that necron SSA is so mediocre
"votaan mining the gold in germany" lol
Noo my Nurgle Daemons 😢
The slaanesh enhancements are …..excessive HAHAHAHAHA
Talking about the Eldar NEW DETATCHMENT and saying stuff about phantasam and fire and fade wtf THEY ARE NOT IN THE NEW DETATCHMENT.
shout out to Siegler for checking out german content <3
Fully agree on the Blood Legion, and I think its gonna require some out of the box thinking. I think a route is 3×10 flesh hounds and a rendmaster, maybe with a bloodthirster with the lance enhancement. Its expensive and weird but its a lot of fast moving 2W bodies with potentially a lot of damage buffs.
Alternatively, 3×10 bloodletters all with bloodmasters. +1 to wound without needing to charge like Lance is brutal, and you cant rely on rendmasters having LoS by the fight phase of your opponents turn so it's gotta come down to bloodmasters
Soooooo … in light of that, where would you rank regular daaemons? 😅
On Tzeench Demons. I agree this shooting is not what you’d like. Their damage strat should be structured a bit differently and cost 1 CP.
That said, it’s a detachment that doesn’t rely on all of your units to be Tzeench, as you have a resource and not just a generic effect as your rule. This mean you can supplement with other solid datasheets to essentially distraction carnifex your opponent and help push out or draw fire while you carve out of the corner. I’m not playing at the level of the AoW guys, but we have seen SL make top tables two weeks in a row and have a decent win rate. Are they going to be winning events left and right? No. I think they definitely capable of making it TO the top tables, just maybe not taking it all the way. They do have really hard counters as they said. I just feel like they sold them short by talking about it as if every army had to run pure Tzeench datasheets, which they really don’t.
This ranking is juste a joke! 🤣🤣🤣
Maybe I'm misguided, but how are blood angels top teir when they struggle to hold no mans land primaries in a meta where going 5-0 doesn't guarantee you a place in the final games?
That was one of the most chill and pleasant tier lists to date. I don't know why exactly, but the time just flew by listening to you two.
Uh have you actually played into starshatter silent king? The math is a guard gun line has less than than 10% chance to kill him. Then he reanimates.
If you kill every unit of your opponents army you should score 100
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With the update to Retaliation Cadre they sneaked into the app today together with Guard points, would you rank T'au any higher now? The update (AP 1 within 9" instead of 6") basically fixes the the problems arising from the 3" Deep Strike nerf, namely the interaction between the detachment rule and a strategem central to the playstyle of the army. Now, it's just a general nerf to DS like for everyone else and not a nerf to the fundamental mechanics of Retaliation Cadre. Overall, it's even a (verys slight) buff.
Annnnnnd 12 hours later it is already due for an update haha
1:00:00 where did the model bad touch you.
Aaaaah it's so nice suddenly seeing slaanesh everywhere 😀
I am staggered youve put necrons that low ngl. They have cheap amazing tools and yes giving up a tiny bit of killing for objective control, it is such a good problem to have.
With how often you brought up death guard i feel like they can be bottom of A
Do you guys know what is the Aeladari list they talk about?