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Technically you could suit up the meatbags in such a way that they are 100% sterile. Suit up, UV and chlorine bath for 30 mins, then open up the hatch. But no planting potatoes in your own poop.
I hadn't considered the possibility for Earth contamination to ruin the Mars biome. I think most people forget that bacteria is part of the ecosystem and that some place as remote as Mars can still support it.
Soooo maybe our rocks can't fly out of our atmosphere but what about say giant manholes flying mock fuck?
Accidentally sets up the Subnautica game quaruntine on mars…
there are procedures in place to keep spacecraft steralized because of what happened with the Americas. it is odd that humans want to go to mars or any other planet. if there is life, it is possible it may be instadeath to humans as well
i find the title hilarious.
"Maybe humans should not go to Mars yet"
As if Humans could go to Mars already.
As if we ever could.
And the most funniest of the title is this:
Here on Earth we (or at least certain powers) have managed to plunge this world in another World War.
We as human beings are not even capable of living peacefully together on this planet.
And we wanna expand to Mars?
For what reason?
But we all know Project Orion. (and if not, look it up).
They first have to solve certain problems before they can send man into or beyond certain regions of space.
Have they solved these issues already?
But let us keep believing in nonsense like that we will one day set foot on Mars.
It is a nice distraction of what is going on around the world today.
Getting to mars is to ensure the propagation of the human race.
There’s no time to waste as the timer is always counting down.
Getting to mars is to ensure the propagation of the human race.
There’s no time to waste as the timer is always counting down.
Go there. Get them early i say.
lame take for mars. we've already have bacteria on probes that have been mistaken for life on mars
Decel mindset, very weak
I don't think we should go to Mars. but we should establish a laboratory/telescope on the moon.
Anyway i think we should start to think that we have a duty to preserve life in this universe.
If we are really the only life, maybe spreading bacteria on other planets is not a bad idea.
God I love Scientists. Thanks for sharing your opinions with the world, we need these differing of perspectives to broaden our thoughts and considerations
Haven't we already introduced Terran bacterial life to Mars via the rovers? I mean, those came from Earth, people have been in contact with them, the materials have been exposed to Earth's air.
So… I think damage already has been done, worst case we could accelerate the process.
white person rants about the possibility of the impact of white people behaviour in a planetary scale
But Cody – our rovers may be alreafy co taminated with same spores or bacteria!
You raise a valid point, I guess the counter argument would be that once we get the opportunity for humanity to become multiplanetary we should do it as soon as possible as we don't know until when that window of opportunity will be open. There are risks on earth for our civilization to collapse for one reason or the other, go into some dark ages once again, or experience colossal natural disaster.
If we spread AI to mars it could destroy any AI that is already on mars.
I looked more into the environment of space and I reached a similar conclusion for different reasons. The Mars environment is so hostile in a way that makes it unfriendly too even people inside habitats, perchlorates, low temp, low energy wind low sun exposure, low gravity. things that are currently really non negotiable for humans
I think because of that it is much more sensible to move to space than another planet. the habitat is only what you bring + cosmic rays and solar wind. and asteroids provide almost any mineral you'd want. solar is abundant.
In many ways of only you go to somewhere like Venus and have a reasonable craft you'd have easy access to carbon, water, energy, heat. it's just all there already in the atmosphere
Space is arguably safer than earth.
I see where you're coming from but I don't see the point in doing that
We know enough about life and how it works from the most advanced life bearing planet we know of, earth
Is there something to learn from possible life on Mars?
Perhaps, we don't know if there is life on there but we are sure that no matter which form it is, it has to be microscopic and does not rely on Oxygen to breathe
Is the cure to any of our earth problems in knowing more about this life form? Most certainly not, we pretty much know the solutions to most of the physical and chemical problems we encounter, most of the time they're just too costly or socially unnaceptable.
The best way to "solve" cancer is to avoid getting one in the first place by eliminating its main causes, for the part that does not rely on behaviors and exposure to pathogens, it's pretty much all either caused by our DNA breaking from radiation or reaching the end of their reproductive life (the ends of DNA strands get shorter at each cycle, when it reaches the part containing important info that where cancers start).
Also, we all have to die of something someday, immortal life is more of a curse than anything
Anyways, yes humans may very well kill an entire genesis of life on Mars but would pretty much create another one by simply being there and adapting, though if you ask me, our time would be better spent working on using its moons as mining bases for the asteroid belt and using our moon as a space base to explore all other telluric planets as well
I am sure we have already contaminated Mars with lifeforms from Earth in all of the probes. We say we sterilize them before they leave Earth, but I doubt we got it 100%. Probably like 99.9%. that .1% can still grow. There will definitely still be tardigrades and perhaps other microscopic life that makes it onto the probes, rovers and more to Mars.
There is a particular reason to reject your chain of logic. Mars might very well be sterile, and if so, centuries of exploration by robot would not confirm the sterility.
I think there might be a few treaties getting in the way of those nukes, but it’s not a bad idea.
I used to buy into Rob Zubrin's plan but, with NASA's help, I've come to see Mars as a complete and utter s___hole ("there's radiation everywhere, but down here we've got perclorates too!") that's just not worth colonisation.
Like you say, there's all sorts of useful tasty stuff on the asteroids and that looks like a much more viable target for our first steps out into the solar system.
Frankly, I am of the opinion that I'd rather guarantee life exists out there in some other capacity than hopelessly isolate ourselves in the hope that other life already exists out there that could cure human cancer, or tell us how life began. Frankly, guaranteeing the existance to life is more valuable than learning how it started. Even if it could reveal that life is extremely common in the universe.
I'm for sending very resilient bacteria to far off habitable planets to try and get evolution started elsewhere.
If there is other life already on said planet, the odds are more likely that the Earth bacteria will be out competed.
I'm not sure if sterilization would be nearly as easy as you describe. Wind could carry bacteria long distances within minutes or hours. A short distance from a blast site, there would be crevices that are substantially shielded.
If there ain't any humans left of Earth because we nuked a landing crew and started wwIII, then what was the point of all this?
Killing flies with nukes! I think it's just as bad an idea. You'd end up spreading more debris.
don't need to go to mars were turning earth into mars .. climate change x 1,000000
I 100% agree with you on all your points, including the hidden ones. The first thing i thought when i saw the debris of former Mars missions was "damn, we're not even there yet and we've already begun littering".
I cannot believe how much i can disagree with you in this vid.