How SpaceX Will Build The First Moon Base
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Wow! Got some pretty heavy hitter critics on this one! But on the lighter side, maybe it should have been titled better since it definitely appears to be nothing more than conjecture on your part. But to make some sense of it, a lot of the video seems to be more work than is necessary. Firstly, having humans tear down the ship – no. Secondly, if the ship were to be used as a habitat horizontally, pulling it down by rope would damage the ship, so – nah! Even at 1/6th gravity, the ship is still tonnage and damages the solar array and the "hull or fuselage." If spacex were ro design the first habitat using the ship this way, that top 1/3rd of it would already be horizontal as compared to the ships' vertical length and not be torn apart to be rebuilt. Besides, if the first ship went with humans, how would they get back? This isn't feasible, practical, or even a concept worthy to think about. 🤔 The man-in-the-moon would laugh us right off the surface! 😂😂 I think what most of the comments are indicating is that Elon wouldn't think this at all. Looking forward to a more reasonable and thoughtful engineering probable concept. Have a nice day😊
Oh you mean that moon base that he has zero contract to build nor has any permission to even be on the moon other than for Artemis.
Just because Elon says something, doesnt make it true lad.
well same landing rockets can be used to tip it over, and lower it slowly, they may make it already set for horizontal layout and legs for where it will set, starship has so much potential
Starship will never go to the Moon and will prove to be useless very soon. That improvisation technique maybe worked on Falcon, it will not with that stupid rocket. They will never get the orbital refueling to work.
spaceX will be lucky to not get prosecuted for wasting billions of taxpayer money while achieving Nothing and having Elon The Clown Musc lie about every milestone he ever talked about
Well he has the boreing company..
Surely they'll be making underground domes.. to avoid as much radiation 🤔
Musks Starship will never see the Moon. Setting all technical issues aside, the concept is the problem. Starship is designed to reach LEO with an empty tank. Refilling it takes another 12-20 Starships to be launched afterwards, docked and fuel transferred. This means ONE Starship mission requires the hardware and fuel from the entire Apollo Program while adding up all risks from all these starts together. Getting one there is crazy, a whole fleet absurdly mad.
I predict this and the mars base will go exactly like the Boring Company and the HyperLoop or the Tesla robots.
They're not. They have missed their milestone targets to date, and are bordering on losing the contract entirely.
Or maybe "The Boring Company" with its Prufrock 3 machine will dig the base underneath ? Of course if Moon is not already empty shell alien base ship… 😀
Send a big drill onto the moon, drill down 20m, create tunnels in crater mountains or drill vertical tunnel shafts. Disassemble the hull of the rockets. Use the hull parts as double layered tunnel covering, with some isolation foam for warmth and fire protection between. Use the "heads" of the rockets as locking part of the vertical tunnel shafts. Cover those with material. Later build large halls below those layers. A moon base needs heavy construction machinery on the moon, fully automated/remote controlled with some humantyp robots for maintenance. You need to store water and food for months, before the first human moon settlers arrive.
Why not just make the fuel tanks, so they can easily be converted to living quarters, by installing hatches, like in a submarine, so we can enter into the fuel tanks. And pre-built stairs and floors. All of the above could be built into the fuel tanks on earth, before the lunar lander is launched. No need to tip the lunar lander over. Just open up the hatches and move into the fuel tanks. A 3D printer could cover the lunar lander with a moon dust slurry.
Or the astronauts could just use a blow torch to cut entryways into the fuel tanks at pre-planned spots. And the stairs and floors would be pre-built into the fuel tanks. No need for submarine type hatches. As long as a way to cut into the fuel tanks was provided.
Or if the astronauts are going to use an elevator to travel from one floor to another in the top 3 floors, maybe a pre-built elevator shaft could be built into the fuel tanks, so the elevator could be easily extended into the fuel tanks, and the same elevator used in the top 3 floors could be used in the fuel tanks. 🙂
The white paint was to maximize albedo – light reflectivity. Minimizing thermal gain on the lunarSS
My guess is they will just keep them upright. I do understand the utility of burying them for radiation or meteor protection but Elon Musk himself has downplayed the radiation risks and the skin itself is ballistics protective. Advantages of keeping them upright include — solar cells are still in use and more usable floor space. I would have concerns about longevity of the solar cells. Are they silicon technology (very short life in space) or much more expensive gallium-based solar cells that will last a very long time in space? Energy production in space is absolutely vital and is a major constraint on what can or cannot do while up there. Even if kept upright, I would suggest bringing inflatable living quarters and bury them in regolith down below. I have heard of suggestions that the fuel tanks could be retrofitted to vastly expand the floor space. I hope they would provide extra radiation protection and insulation in the outer wells. Certain polymers are very good at blocking cosmic rays and solar flare radiation. You don't need to block all radiation but just keep it at safe levels. If it were me, I'd do at least a half meter of polyurethane foam.
My prediction is it stays vertical.
They will preinstall grating or perforated decks WITHIN the tanks – these will double as baffles for the fuel/liquid.
They will install two internal hatches that can be opened between the ch4 & o2 tanks, and another between ch4 and habitat.
Ch4 tank will either be moved to the top with the o2 header, or possibly it will end up with two hatches and could become an airlock – the header tank could probably be a cylinder rather than a sphere for the sake of a dual purpose component.
Introducing hatches internally is tricky from a leak perspective, however they could build in an internal airlock to act as a gap – main issue is with the ch4 to cabin due to max differential pressure. Prob also want a buffer between cryo fluids and human occupied spaces anyways.
Just configure the crew cabin for horizontal use BEFORE launch. Its only a few days trip.
Is this something that’s actually being planned by SpaceX or NASA?
Still waiting for Starship to reach orbit…
Just landing on the moon has become a chore finding something to live in is a real chore
Don't pitch investments in high risk companies. Viewers are dumb enough to not know you were paid to say that.
If SpaceX would go that route, it would have the layout for it as it is being build.
About 90% of what is needed in the tanks would be built in, the cargo and crew area would have easy prefabs to go from vertical to horizontal.
It would be guilt from the ground up for the purpose.
jmpo
Reminds me of tintin's lunar rocket
Leave it vertical and re-use the tanks, with pre-installed floors as perforated tank baffling, for expansion space. Have 2-3 floors of finished hab with extra equipment to be moved into the lower decks later. The ship and tanks can be shorter than currently designed, since there is no intention to leave the moon, and less likely to tip over. Living/storage/exercise/sleeping quarters on the lower levels and shield the bottom of the ship with regolith, bulldoze, sandbag or 3d print bricks. Circumferential water-wall on higher levels.
How much does 20 feet of moon dirt weigh and can the thin SS hull of Starship support that?
To flip the ship,spcx just need to blow some bolts of one leg and that’s it .
Elon is the best and his 'SpaceX' company and thier plans….also anyone who uses 'SPACE1999' refrences (a show I used to watch as a kid late 70's,80's) gets my attention. The ships once they land on the Moon will be used on the Moon for living in etc, very clever thinkin, great post to show this.
That's my new home.
SpaceX will do shit. This is a NASA mission. They pay it, they plan it, they do it with other space agencies. SpaceX provides some of the tech on the way. And not bad tech, but this weird over association of a rocket provider is weird. They do stuff to get money. They build and launch rockets if someone else pays them to do it and that someone is the one with the mission.
They could just design and build the interior of the starship in a "horizontal orientation" here on Earth, that would make more sense. Also if they have those landing thrusters at the top maybe they could burn the ones on the right to get the ship to start tipping and then as it starts to fall ignite the ones on the opposite side for just an instant to slow down the momentum as it falls the the moons surface. Just a thought.
Great video! Thanks a lot 🙂
LOL, but even on the moon there is a lot of lighter gravity, a free impact is still dangerous. Add the fact that "hitting", or in fact entering the atmosphere, is different than hitting the surface that does not cover the "belly" (like the upper parts of the atmosphere, which are thinner anyway) will only create resistance. Such an impact may cause damage to the material but also damage to the equipment.
that internal stair… Les Aventures de Tintin vibe!! 🙂