Let’s talk through the 10th edition book for the Talons of the Emperor, and see what the Custodes can do in game…
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0:00 Intro
0:29 Contents
2:28 The Nerfs
4:31 Martial Ka’Tah
6:53 The Detachments
7:55 Talons of the Emperor
11:20 Talons of the Emperor – Stratagems
16:53 Talons of the Emperor – Enhancements
19:41 Auric Champions
21:04 Auric Champions – Stratagems
26:01 Auric Champions – Enhancements
29:42 Null Maidens Vigil
31:31 Null Maiden Vigil – Stratagems
36:01 Null Maiden Vigil – Enhancements
39:10 Shield Host
41:41 Shield Host – Stratagems
46:04 Shield Host – Enhancements
49:11 Detachment Thoughts
50:39 Datasheets + Forge World
52:40 Points Page
53:56 Datasheet Themes
56:26 Infantry Units
1:02:46 Vertus Praetors
1:04:25 Vehicles
1:04:43 Characters
1:12:39 Epic Heroes
1:17:27 Sisters of Silence Datasheets
1:24:44 Overall Thoughts
1:28:21 Outro
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Pointless book and cards still dont contain any Custodes Grav Tank varients, Telemon, Contemptor-Achillus, Contemptor-Galatus, Venatari, Valdor, Sagittarum, Gunships… £35 for a book that doesnt contain half my army. GW sort it out its truly pathetic and snide.
Custodes were going to be my first choice before I went for Necrons. Kinda glad that I changed my mind. Regardless, they're still appealing. 😊
Really disappointing that none of the FW datasheets have made it into the main codex. The weak rules I don't care too much about, balance will change again in time. But the FW models remaining separate makes me unwilling to risk buying (or even kitbashing) any of them, since it feels like they are at high risk of being sent to legends or entirely removed next edition.
I really hope the Cerastus knights will make it into the (Chaos) Knights codices this edition. After all, there are already plastic kits for them.
I'm just getting back into Warhammer and the Custodes where my army of choice. I really liked the elite army feel, the 300 feeling of very few units but each one being worth every point. This codex kills every single aspect of that, effectively just making them sparkly Space Marines, and for what? To shoe horn in 2 whole detachments around units that don't even need to be there? Units that do not represent, in any way, what Custodes are, units that where clearly an after thought to deal with psykers, units that could be replace with a cheap enhancement for any other character? And all of this on top of not just leaving useless stuff useless like the bikes( i know they have a use, but they are over priced and under preform at it) but also gutting any character of what made them stand out.
I relay hope they revert this whole codex quickly! Bring back the old shield host detachment as it was, then add 3 new ones that can focus on characters, mobility and maybe a shooting one? Leave the sisters as the one use unit that they are, and focus on what makes this army interesting and fun.
And for the people who like SoS, let me introduce you to Adepta Sororitas! please leave the Custodes alone 🙂
Valerian does not grant -1ap vs shooting btw. It’s still the same ability as it was.
No buffs here
I think if Talons gave the 4+ FNP and some defense buff to SoS making that annoying to remove from the board instead of useless damege buff (I thought of something like stealth plus cover, maybe or I don't know), it would be great detachment it could make SoS actually a viable and usefull part of the army without really changing units a lot.
GW power creeps for years, and fans are like tone it down! GW tones it down, and fans are they're making everything worse…welcome to the 40k fandom!
they wont change any pts with the next MFM like Admech and Necrons, GW will wait until the MFM after that (so roughly August) for any changes
Oh yes, the Adeptus Custodes. The Imperium's most powerful and elite troops. So powerful that my 20 gaunts can killa whole unit of them on the charge. This is an army that should not be on the tabletop.
Yay back to getting melted with dev wounds before you can even move to an objective.
I don’t understand why GW thinks like this, 10th we wanted things to be more durable and they made the Custodes, the literal closest thing humanity has to a primarch, more durable.
Thanks to this I finally saw diverse and fun Custodes lists instead of just tank/bike spam
But now they want them to be more dmg focused?? Wtf dude, can’t wait to see how this goes wrong.
I can confirm that I've talked with Games workshop and they expect us to use the Horus Heresy one as a replacement.
RIP golden boys [*]
No thanks GeeDubs, I’m keeping index rules.
Gotta admit Talons of the Emperor sounds like the best way to go. If you turtle up and guard some even a single squad of sisters with the rest of the custodes then that allows for lots of good synergies 🤔
Talons of the Emperor will affect the Sistsers Rhino?!!! That’s actually awesome!
2 Rhinos with Hunterkiller missiles each filled with 1×5 Prosecuters…Surround by the rest of your Custodes…that’s essentially with the stratagem: Two S15 AP -3(or -4?) D6 damage shots!!! Talons of the Emperor is awesome!
I bet Custodes armies/units will be on E-Bay in droves.
12:04 Note that this strat cannot be made free if you are targeting an [Anathema Psykana] unit. Per rules on "reducing stratagem costs", all units targeted must have the ability to reduce the cost of the stratagem. Neither of the 2 Sisters characters have this ability.
The unit would need to gain this ability from some other [Leader], if possible. My playgroup doesn't build lists with "allied army" models, so I don't know if that can be done.
Geezus pretty much every change is a nerf i saw no added values from the index at all
im supprised the basic contemptor survived given the old model it used is discontinued, would have at least thought then they would give the full weapon layout the new kit does (would have been nice to get lascannon arms in the codex)
Someone at GW has earned himself a paddeling. I know they do this Codex writing thing just since 2 or 3 years now… but holy macceroni is this bad 😢
Man, comparing the Custodian Codex with the Ork one is night and day. Is obvious that the orks received the much better deal
well guess my armies going up for sale, they wernt amazing anyway now so much worse
love the vid, keep up the great workk
I love these reviews! They are so helpful and I know they require a lot of time and effort to make. Thank you for working so hard for us!
So I have to ask just to be certain, is Aleya still not technically an Anathema Psykana? Cause..damn, I really hoped she'd get that in the Codex if there's going to be a Null Maiden detachment.
EDIT: Nevermind, she's an epic hero which is why she doesn't get any enhancements, d'oh.
an additional change for the knight centura is they added a close combat weapon profile so she can fight in close combat if she takes a ranged weapon
It's the GW formula now. No elite type armies. That doesn't sell boxes. Make the elite armies weak so GW can then just drop points, and you buy more models. Ad mech now custodes. The only reason they keep knights is the fact they cost 3 units for 1 knight.
59:49 can someone please explain how you calculate these numbers? I come up with different results. I assume he uses the re-roll 1 Guards rule.
Okay see you for the next codex, maybe it will be balanced for ones.
Given their win rates… of course they were getting nerfed.
Why are we okay with the points being basically wrong until a mfm/faq/dataslate fix comes out months later?
What's the point of a $60 book? Lore? What? 5 novels isn't even $60. The data cards are half that, so again, what's the point? Not to mention the $100 LE codex.
This is so fucking dumb. I have 0 reason to buy the codex other than just to have it. Which again, is pretty dumb. Why print a book then change the rules after it's printed just to have to change the rules even more later?
I'm done. I'm just going to paint. The game isn't even worth it.
Custodes players are mad because they can't just walk down the board and kill everything now.😂
So gw has done more lore changes? The Adeptus Custodes now have woman?
I am a returning player after a long hiatus (2nd ed) and returned to play for the chance to play Custodes. I love the lore, i love the playstyle, and id be willing to pay more points to play like it. Should they have been nerfed? yes, but they were gutted. They are no longer elite, they are barely adequate. I will not pay for an $80 book only to, maybe, have most it retconned at a later date. What i am going to do is take my current custodes, put it on a shelf because I painted them pretty, then 3d print an entire new army and pirate a codex, then share it with everyone I know.
I think the problem is that Custodes needed a nerf, so the players were never going to be happy with a codex that nerfed them. You want nerfs in balance slates, not your big release, so it is a feels bad, but a necessary one for the game.
It's also important to note that Custodes players claimed their 9th Edition Codex was unplayable and terrible when it came out, only for it to be an overpowered mess that put them at over 60% win rate and needed nerfs.
Custodes are very much an army where the power comes from the datasheets rather than the other rules (which is tbh how most armies tend to work, but even moreso with Custodes). So things are honestly fine. Going from number 2 army in the game that gatekeeps all melee armies into a 45-50% win rate army is genuinely a good thing for everyone.
They will also be more interesting to play with and against, which is good news as you have more than just stat checking now (although some armies still won't be able to deal much dmg to them).
Talons has legitimately amazing Strategems and if they do errata the MW thing, then they'll be even better as a detachment. It has two very solid Enhancements too.
Auric Champions looks very fun albeit niche and not for everyone, it's not a strong looking detachment, but it's important to remember each codex caters to competitive players and casual players who want to play fun fluffy stuff. And if you are playing Custodes, you are probably a fan of having a superman murdering enemies as a vibe. Half the Detachments in codexes so far tend to be less competitive so this fits the pattern.
The Sisters detach does look bad, but it's not designed for competitive, it's clearly the fun and fluffy one for those handful of people who love the sisters.
The Shield Host is totally fine too, banana Waaagh is a lot and in terms of play patterns, it's much healtheir to have an army that wants to take the fight to other people than have an indestructible bunch of lads who just sit on objectives and stat check. If the errata comes in for the FNP strat, then you are just as tanky as before anyway, just costs you some resources and makes it a skilled choice of Strat rather than being ungodly tanky at all times. Reposition enhancement is legit top tier too.
Overall Custodes are fine now instead of OP and have much more interesting play patterns. Because it's often a faction that beginners like, it might be a bit annoying for them that they'll take more finesse, but even when Custodes had big points nerfs earlier in 10th, their more causal win rates were still in goldilocks zone anyway.
Honestly, these changes are good for the game and the "sky is falling" comments are definitely overblown. Codex is middling, certainly better than Ad Mech and Dark Angels, probably a bit better than Tyranids too. As an army they look far more interesting to me now and I'd be more tempted to play them than before as being an indestructible army just camping points was boring, but now they are more about using the movement phase and utilizing hammers instead of being an immovable anvil.
Given all the lore descriptions, it still amazes me Sisters of Silence don’t have Stealth or Lone op.
Good news: Female Custodes exist!
Bad news: Everything else.
so I guess the day errata faq will be the Dev wound change that is currently running and then the current points change outside of codex … I think if custards are piss poor for a few months they will just touch them back again with some rules tweaks to bring them back up …. they dont seem a complex army to push up and down with [power for rules team ..
I am nervous of how they will murder chaos space marines with their codex lol or chaos knights
If devastating wounds were made against custodes via a psychic attack.. e.g grey knights, that means they could still FNP it right?
People will keep buying their plastic no matter how bad it is.
Wauw as a Custodes player, none of the codes detachments remotely look like an upgrade over what we have now, good job GW.
Codex Train Wreck. Not worth the paper it's printed on.
GW canonizes female custodes, Gw makex custodes weaker overall. What did gw mean by this?