In this episode: We cover the finale of season 2 of the Halo TV Series, and discuss thoughts and theories on the episode.
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Hi 00 i apologize i forgot to mention at the end of my last comment b312 noble6 reaper1 Thank you for understand end transmission…
16:27 "Also, where Makee got block-heel platform boots from The Covenant is beyond me" 🤔
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hi 00 did you know that once a gravemind gets old enff it morphs in evalution in to a prmordial
Hey i also dont believe they aren't augmented. They are regular humans who received "spartan" training and armor. Parangoski just wanted soldiers to use for her goals as we've seen her do.
Hi 00 please share this hidden bible truth with everyone you can i found it in games"resignation from service to the true endless one is our virtue,like waters,our rebellion ebb & flow defeat is the addition of time,to a sentance we belive was undeserved,& you(endless one,christ,jesus precurser pre &post eden) imposed for our human wives, gaint children & us (the primordial's,the fallen angels,the flood parasite in our forms),.
I have a theory if you don’t mind.
I think that the reason the Flood didn’t just go insane and start making everyone combat forms was because it has been asleep for, how many years.
It’s awoken surrounded by strange new life forms, (humans). It doesn’t immediately know how powerful humans are or if they pose a major threat. The Flood was performing a stealth and recon op.
It didn’t reveal itself because it was only one host at the time of awaking. It probably waited until it had infected a vast majority of people before forcing the girl to kill the guy. (Which it probably did so it could see and infect more areas of the facility that the girl probably couldn’t access.
Feels a bit weird to be talking about the intro scene as speculation, when it's revealed to be a monitor in the episode.
Personally, think Kwan is a descendant of "shepherds", people who obeyed the flood and herded humanity like cattle for the flood to feast on, would make sense as to why they were being treated as traitors at the start of the series and their connection with the flood.
Parangorsky is likely to be taken over by the grave mind like Keyes, as she wasn't killed or harmed, and was more so captured, from what we saw.
Did anyone else notice that some of the flood infectees basically became manic before freezing up? Both Halsey and patient zero seem to have lost their minds and lost any sense of danger before freezing up.
Soren now has the reasoning to combat the flood, i forsee him handing Kesler to Ackerson to 'bow out' the lad so to speak so Soren can be more ….. pirate/spartan character. . Kai i forsee being retrieved and hailed as the leader of the remaining spartan 3 project as i dont see Ackerson getting back involved in a control sense. . . but i dont know if Kai will return to combat. Parangosky i think is our Keyes-Infection form for season 3. Yeah that research assistant was the same woman in the holding cell and the 'mooshing' her jaw/skull and shoulder to push through the barse was really grim but absolutely what the flood could do. Would've been good to see the few security officers in the area Kwan and Soren faught randomly firing off sidearms or something as the flood even as they're taking over a host could still somewhat use tools. I'm interested to know how chiefs helmet took that specific damage as the cracks were there after the arbiter fight but not the missing lense piece. I too hope that Miranda doesn't magic wand a Flood Antibody into existence as that immediately flubs the threat. Halsey in stasis is interesting and im not entirely sure the reasoning just as her character is starting to develope. Miranda if im honest i find bland. Space battle was great to see! still sad we wont get a keyes manuever. i have more thoughts but that'll do for my spamcannon this time around.
From what we saw the UNSC came on top of that space battle, I don-t know how to feel about that, cause in Halo CE chief would have been gigiddy to see a UNSC Fleet coming to the ring to reinforce him, but here he seems more concerned than relieved. Perhaps its just that in Silver timeline ONI calls the shots whereas in the main timeline FLEETCOM and Admiral Hood are boss.
To be onest: Season's 2 serie 4 is still The BEST of the whole show – Actors play, Drama, Scale of War (shown on the screen in 5 seconds!!!) and the modern warfare versus alien tech (scene After white phophorous round have been deployed)… Not to mention the tecnical part: standart issue rifles are quite EFFECTIVE against shield-protected Elites!!!… As for the FLOOD shown: it's capabiities are Way over it's Lore-based!!! (Where to infected MarinesElitesBrutesGrunts and so on… were able to use their weapons, but were unable to infect anyone else… Unlike the Infection Formes)
Dumb theory but what if the woman kwan saw was the librarian and the reason the flood were held at bay was the gravemind seeking that connection backward, i;e even if its dumb itd be like the librarian connected to the server and the gravemind having server host permission was tryna see where she connected from
Appears Kai 125 viewed Tom Cruise's Days of Thunder…
Loved the episode. Lots of thoughts:
-At ~6:02 you say the show's Flood infection spreads by airborne spores. You also later observe that the infection proceeds more rapidly in later victims than in Patient Zero, and imply that you take this to constitute a change in the general progression of the infection rather than a difference in the kind of case. I perceived things differently, so I'd welcome clarification. I understood it to be implied that Patient Zero tampered with the sample herself, and was thereby infected by contact. She also appeared to physically touch other doctors before succumbing to the infection herself. Subsequent infections took place by physical touch as well. My impression was that in the show, the infection is spread by physical contact, and Patient Zero's infection took more time because her physical contact was minimal (viz. physical contact with minimal spores) rather than the full-on physical contact associated with skin-to-skin contact or via open wounds or penetration by infection forms.
-I have been unhappy with this show's handling of Dr. Halsey throughout: She's portrayed as more sociopathic, less competent as a scientist, more fanatical than rational, and–on full display in this episode and the last (when she f**king stops on the disintegrating light bridge to gawk at the city below)–bizarrely lacking in self-preservation instincts. Like why in the ever-loving-f**k would she and Miranda not leave the base IMMEDIATELY after the infection outbreak begins? Halsey in the mainline universe is more competent than this show's Halsey. In any event, I wish they improved her character rather than (literally) putting her on ice.
-I found the pacing of the spread of the infection throughout Onyx's base hard to understand. Why did it take Miranda so long to notice what was happening outside her GLASS room?
-I found it utterly bizarre how nobody in Onyx's command center managed to receive notification of the infection prior to it arriving at their doorstep: How did nobody manage to report Patient Zero's stabbing of her colleague in the neck, or any of the other infections?
-I am deeply curious who the show will now designate as the audience's UNSC/ONI higher-up narrative point of contact. I loved the actor they chose for Lord Hood and would welcome him back, but, to be frank, that man is very, very old: I wish him all the best, but I doubt he will be sufficiently vital to portray a stable character in the show. Killing Parangosky was questionable; killing Admiral Keyes was stupid. I'd be surprised if Ackerson assumes control, but I suppose we'll see.
-Somebody better have the good f**ing sense to burn Onyx to the ground before the Flood make it off world. Or I wonder if the Flood outbreak might trigger a sentinel (or Promethean) response?
-If the Flood do make it off-world, that's a hard problem for the show runners to solve, since the moment it becomes a networked intelligence, it will presumably remember where Earth is (and all of the human colonies, for that matter, assuming it consumed a moderately intelligent navigator).
-I absolutely love the voice actor for the Monitor. I'm not sure if he's Guilty Spark, though. The most suggestive indications on that front are (i) his implied concern that Chief is not up to the task of firing the Halo ring, and (ii) his implied haughty arrogance. But the voice and his casing are some indications that it's a different Monitor.
-Can somebody please explain to me where the Halo is? Did I hear them right last episode saying it was in the Sol system? Like Earth's solar system?? There's no way I heard that right. That would be profoundly stupid. But I don't really understand where everything is supposed to be in relation to everything else. Like I guess the Halo ring is near where the space battle is taking place. How far is Onyx from that?
My first thought when Perez go hit was Sam.
I've been thinking that Kwahn's halucinations of the old woman were seeming less like a genesong and more like an intelligence. For a little bit I thought it was an avatar that Guilty Spark was using to talk to her, but it was leaning towards a sinister Flood connection reveal. Curious what explanation they give in S3.
As for Kai's sacrifice, I think that within the confines of this show (the timeframe and the nature of these spartan IIIs) Kai had developed enough of a bond with her SpIIIs to make a sacrifice. However, the ship crash seemed out of place as the rest of the Covenant fleet should still be more than enough to wipe the UNSC fleet.
For those that have seen this episode, how tf did Mackee get far away from Chief after he killed the Arbiter. She was right there facing off against the Chief. Next cut she disappeared and chief has to reopen the door again. This is the kind of shit i don't understand. How can anyone enjoy this crap when the writing is so bad? And why doesn't Chief shoot Mackee before she disappears?
I’m going to guess that we get to see a new Arbiter ‘born’ next season.
I can see them doing something similar to Halo's First Strike, where they discover how Johnson survives the flood with Boren Syndrome and then do some type of play on that as a quote cure for Halsey. Then it wouldn’t be a “cure” and closer to the 1/1Billion chance we had in the lore
At first I thought before the Monitor was revealed, that he was a version of Black Box.
Overall, I enjoy this season much more than the last. Still, I don't like the Chief all that much for most of it. The last two episodes, better, but I like pretty much all of the other characters more than the Chief. Hopefully this changes comes season 3.
Theory time.
The old religious leader is a physical illusion created by the monitor from Madrigal. A rampant AI serving the Gravemind. It guided Kwan to the vault and showed her how to open it to release the flood.
Seeing the flood was a cool twist seeing, really did not think they would be added to the show. Bruh the way that woman was breaking her bones trying to fit behind the bars, holy shit that was scary and how they were slowly mutating. It was awesome
I’m thinking Quwon’s has a gene song… a powerful one. It would be a cool way to bring in humanity’s connection to the Librarian.
Or maybe it is something new.
The broken, dangling mandible was pretty sick, I gotta say.
That fight was awesome
This dude said it was awesome. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
i hate what they did to halo as a whole and when kai said last of their kind we literally saw a board with other actual Spartan's before the fall of reach, how is their flood intelligence when the halo was fired by the forerunners cause if there was the universe would be infested, the introduction of spartan 3's was pointless cause their just regular humans in better odst gear ,how is kia alive after a mega explosion of super carriers makes no sense she can tank a reactor explosion but die to needler guns and basic fire power, how does the human fleet ship get unibeamed in the vacuum of space when they have scanners and clear line of sight you literally see the covenant fleet soon as they exit jump, them keep trying to force kwan storry is dumb and pointless same as the pirate story fake arbiter died and they failed to make us have any emotional attachment and maki maki maki just why…the season as a whole would have been better off based of any other spartan group like Nobel team or a odst show cause this this was not halo or chief.
Dislike this series
we can see the jarring contrast between the writing, story direction and the CGI, chereography and character designs.
the former is a total bastardisation of the lore, while the latter tries its very best to align towards a tv series adaptation to the game.
if only they stuck to the amazing canon story and lore the show would have been epic.
how she got platforms from the covenant…LOL i didnt even notice that
super conflicted on all the changes when they have games AND books to pull from, a LITERAL blueprint, and EVERYONE would love it. i think the drama/"character building" is a bit overdone while the combat is a bit undercooked. feels a lot like what amazon did with Rings of Power, but even more altered. alas, i still love me some halo. my brother who showed me halo as a kid on the other hand, only watched a few episodes of S1 and just couldnt do it.
I really enjoyed this season
they could potentially bring Halsey back as a new kind of healthier flash clone, then have her finally be in that position of questioning her humanity like Cortana or the Chief – even more than she already does, as this morally grey, inhumane and cold scientist character
I wish my brain could disconnect the "timelines" like you are able to do. I just cant as they are bastardizing the established lore and great storylines to much. Having read the books and played the games, the stories there are just so much better than what this show is able to produce. Even the "worst" stories from either the games or books are ALOT better than this.
we never seen the camouflage ability be activated by spi armor to at least give some uncertainty of their movement in combat. they heavily used that covenant corvette command room to make the set a bit more economical. i still wonder why Miranda was not afflicted by being at ground zero of the flood infection.
… I just can’t do it.
Remove my halo lore bias. It just isn’t a good show.
Then add back in my die hard halo bias… it just isn’t halo.
Throw all the money you want at it paramount.
Any of us hard core fans could dream up a better script laying in our beds at age 6 until ONI kidnaps us.
I thought it was a good show and it made me smile when I say a lot of halo YouTubers like the episode. I think halo deserves this show maybe there is some weird things in the show but it dosent mean people need to go ham and just post negativity about it
For Kwan, my thoughts are that the religious leader was in fact a human, that the other characters interacted with, and had an emotional impact on each of them. The gravemind, seeing this somehow, used the image of this impactful figure to speak to Kwan and guide her as needed. Making the religious leader a hallucination brought on by the gravemind's power, which in this timeline, we don't know the extent of. So that's one possibility, and the one i think will turn out to be true, though i wouldn't be surprised at all if it was her gene song or some combination of both. Like her ancestors were also infected by the flood, and they are speaking to her, but speaking to her through the gravemind's connection to infected their DNA since DNA transfers from one generation to another.
Also, the scene of Chief saving Kai and the spartan 3s (who i think have no enhancements in this timeline, they're just trained more efficiently than the average infantry unit and given better armor) was a scene that made me tear up like Matthew McConauhey in the famous "Interstellar" scene. That was the Chief we've been waiting for, for over 20 years to see in live action, and it only got better as the episode went on.
If season 3 keeps on the same trajectory as the finale of season 2, I'll be eagerly waiting for every single episode. Which is a stark contrast to my attitude from season 1, which was more… unenthusiastic let's say.
You can tell all of the people who supposedly like this show don’t really like it, they are the “positive” crowd, who are more aligned to names and symbols above substance. Gotta consume product and get excited for more product.
But what makes it worse is the smug, self-righteousness and moral superiority these people get from liking trash like the Halo show, lol. We see you, lol.
They could have objectively made the worse show ever, but because “Halo” is slapped on it, it’s gold…which is pretty much what happened here. 😂
There can’t be a dissenting voice or anyone saying anything about their “precious”.
It requires ZERO thinking and a room temperature IQ to be this detached from reality. But TV is made for someone I guess. 🤷🏾♂️
I will be honest with you from this point on Master Chief should keep his helmet on
So who the woman that Kwan sees is was mentioned in an article on waypoint that summarises the episode: "Ackerson guides Soren, Laera, Kessler, and Kwan to exit the facility but they find a horde of infected. They retreat, but Kwan gets surrounded, closing her eyes in what she believes will be her end, the Mother then appears and says that she knew Kwan would find and deliver them. Kwan asks who she is, and the Mother reveals that she was like Kwan—a protector, a very long time ago, but she was consumed by the parasite, within which her consciousness lives on."
I interpret that as one of two things,
1: that this is the flood manipulating Kwan as you said
2: that this is an ancient human "mind" or "soul" for want of a better term that has somehow managed to maintain its individuality within the flood consiousness and is able to exert some small influence upon the infected.
If its the first, then why not just infect Kwan? She's served her purpose and unleashed the flood, I don't see what purpose keeping her alive could serve. Sure in the mainline lore the flood help the chief and arbiter, but only to fulfill a specific goal and betray them as soon as that is achieved. In the case of the ancient humans, they withdrew either because of the human "cure" or as a ploy because it wasn't the human's time to be consumed by the flood's twsted reasoning. In either case they did so with a specific purpose in mind (or the cure forced them to withdraw if it ever existed at all).
The second one seems to fit better what has happened better in my opinion. Maybe this is the silver timeline's version of ancient humanity's "cure"? They allowed the modified individuals to be infected and then they can sabotage the flood from within somehow? Tenuous speculation, but I guess we'll just have to find out in season 3…
I think Parangosky will be the basis for a Gravemind. Just the way they held her reminded me of Keys proto. Her knowledge is invaluable to the Flood. Just a theory.
I think the smaller infection forms make more sense. Let’s be honest, if they were that small in game they’d be hard to deal with especially considering hit box issues, and in CE at least they’d be like 1 polygon
Who is Halsey’s speech addressed to at the end of Halo Reach, I can’t figure out if its Jorge or all of Noble team
I feel like the priest lady a shadow/memory of a precursor speaking Kwan through gene song.
Like I said Master Chief should keep his helmet on for the foreseeable future, because at this point he's fighting the flood
Cant wait for season 3. I didnt watch the Halo Series before yesterday. Mostly becuase what ive been hearing about the show is ony hate and how bad it is. Ive been sick and i binge watched it. Its not bad.
I think it's pretty clear that this is installation 04 and the monitor is 343. It is mentioned in the dialogue that this battle takes place in the Soell system. Can't think of any reason they would use the location of I04 and then swap it for another Halo.
Also would have been a nice touch if during Kai's suicide run on the assault carrier if they'd used a rendition of The Last Spartan as the score, to call back to Halo 2
I hope we see The Librarian and then later the Didact! I hope we see flash back scenes of the Ancient world when Humans and Forerunners coexisted.