Should You Water Cool Your GPU? (or is Liquid Cooling Dead?) – Probing Paul #85
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0:00 Welcome to Probing Paul #85
0:51 Pre-Probing Notes
1:01 Should I Water Cool My GPU? (or is Liquid Cooling Dead?)
https://youtu.be/ewUlloh0IAw
6:18 How does a monitor’s resolution/size/refresh rate affect gaming performance?
10:23 What keyboard is the white one you use?
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/keyboards/ch-9109114-na/k70-rgb-mk-2-se-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-cherry-mx-speed-ch-9109114-na
11:43 How is the DIY home surveillance system doing?
https://youtu.be/PLOcfW3yDG0
https://youtu.be/l0w0wY2ZzeA
https://youtu.be/VED04d2WTjA
https://youtu.be/dvq_IFsuUGs
13:57 Was that a Radeon RX 7900 GRE??
https://youtu.be/Nh1DcNyov0U
14:29 Looking forward to the Mini ITX build!
https://youtu.be/zlPEulOjJfM
14:56 MAIL TIME (Sort Of) – Big Overhead Softbox Light Parts
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I'm still rocking Corsair Hydro Series H150i PRO RGB 360mm Performance Liquid CPU Cooler but with BeQuiet Silent Wings 3 on the radiator as exhaust, had that AIO since 2018 and still going strong. Originally powered my 8086K back in the day then 3900X and now 5800X3D.
This is my system:
Motherboard: MSI MAG X570S TORPEDO MAX
CPU: 5800X3D
GPU: AsRock Challenger Pro RX 6800
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws (2x16gb) 32Gb 3600mhz
Storage: 2x 2tb Samsung 980 Pro
Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H150i PRO RGB 360mm Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (Stock RGB fans been replaced with BeQuiet Silent Wings 3)
Case: BeQuiet Silent Base 802
PSU: Corsair TX850M 850W 80 Plus Gold Semi-Modular Power Supply
Monitor: LG 32GP750-B 1440p 165hz
ARG
Heck yeah, let’s do the soft box video
as a veteran builder and repair tech (started in late 1998), i personally run air on my primary system (which is 2 side by side full atx builds in a single tower, modified to fit 2 atx boards), my DayZ server is on air, and the house's media server is also air. every other computer we have is on water, some AIOs and some open loops. if it HAS to run, it's on air. if it's FUN to run, it's on water.
SECURITY: ive been using an off-the-shelf Night Owl security system. up to 10 1080 night vision cameras (that look like they're made by samsung), tiny DVR unit, i upgraded the stock drive with a 3tb WD Red NAS drive. it's been insanely reliable, good desktop and phone app, fully stand-alone. and it was pretty cheap as well, i added extra cams, up to 8 of em now!
The first card I put an AIO on was a reference R9 290. It turned a literal hair dryer into a whisper quiet GPU that never saw above 55c, that's with a single fan 140mm AIO. GPU dies are so massive compared to CPUs that the benefits of watercooling are insane. Even today with my 7900XT on a custom loop, my GPU temps rarely break 45c, 65c hotspot.
Would love to see a build of new lighting.
Hey Paul a little confused I was easily able to find white k70 keyboards for both a bad price
Yes, lighting video please.
I am wondering how you like the Corsair chair after you have used it for more than a year?
Will we ever get a mechanical version of the Logitech G510S keyboard? While an older keyboard membrane, I have yet to find any mechanical keyboard that offers the macro keys (awesome for binding to various keyboard shortcuts in photoshop and davinci resolve), media controls, and the built in LCD that offers system stats.
My sapphire 7800xt hardly ever spins the fans because the temps stay so low.
As a general thing for me: if you have some knowledge about water cooling and extra money (just in case something happen with the aio and damage your pc-rare but still a threat) then go for it.
Or you are like me just go for air cooling and set for a long time. Lower settings and stuff
So no you are not better off buying a better CPU most of the time. It depends on your use case. If you are strictly gaming you aren't getting more performance from i9 or Ryzen 9. So I feel like if you have an i7 or a Ryzen 7 and you're using it for gaming and you're debating between liquid cooling or air cooling and higher tier CPU either is fine. I agree with you except maybe the 4080 super since the price difference is $600-1000 at which point you can probably eke out a bit more performance from water cooling and it would be significantly cheaper. Now personally I've used a water-cooled system as my production rig for like 5 years it's hard-lined and it had no problems with uptime. I've even done upgrades for the CPU, RAM, SSDs, and GPU and all of them have been relatively painless. I feel like if you planned the loop right and bought good components a custom water-cooled system will last a very long time with very few issues.
I wanted a 7900xtx liquid cooled but they never made one. Asus didn't, MSI didn't, and Sapphire didn't. And that made me really sad because when I was building my 7800x3d+7900xtx build I wanted to but none existed…. Maybe the 8000 series will have one….
It's funny, you can tell Paul and GN Steve both came from humble beginnings. They both very pro-consumer and keep budgets in mind with sensible upgrade paths despite having large platforms where they could easily say "bigger number better, go get bigger number". Cheers Paul.
Paul, do you feel like a time is leaving you behind? from making gaming computers to what are computers good for now. Kyle's drama did not help it, Linus's "shove my fortune in your face" didn't. So please quit or bring my attention back somehow . home improvements are inspiring. All the best on your endeavors
Soft Box Video? Yes, please! I look forward to seeing the process (should you choose to make a video of it).
Liquid cooling was and is pointless for 95% of people. It just introduced a TON of things to go wrong.
hi, i have a xfx 6950xt black…any idea who/where i can get a block for it? great video btw.. 😉
Yes we want to see the light box build!
ID-COOLING FROSTFLOW X 280 AIO is awesome for anything up to a Ryzen 7700X, and it $55 bucks on Amazon.
Yes please make the build vid as I raise a pint of "Brown Gold" to your health and all who appreciate your channel.
Erin go Bragh! to all next Sunday
Hotrod mods are awesome..
If anyone is looking for white or coloured RGB keyboard, I love my Ducky One
Paul, you are truly one, possibly the only one, of the few True Humans left on youtube. Thank you for your rock-steady lazer-gaze, my fren.
"Should you water cool your GF?"
That damned duration overlay.
Is there ever going to be a cure for "Amazon Choice", "Soold by Amazon", "Shipped by Amazon" FRAUDS such as "Fantom Drives HDD Upgrade Kits", whose selling-point for the 5TB Seagate HDD that DESTROYED my entire 3.2TB Life's Work collection of falash drives,SD & microSd cards, old drives all rolled-up onto it, expecting at least five years, but the backup drive it was on the sixth month later budget. So, at !4 months in, it blows my work that my ADHD had shifted out to my retirement. Imagine my surprise when these words arrived out from my telephone's handset, "Can you double-check that serial number, because it is what I show as Warranty Expired four month prior to your purchase." it was the same. Then, when I see the drive's label, it says right there, should've seen it when I looked for the serial number to register, which DID NOT tell me it was out-of-warranty.
Then Seagate, who offered to step-in as Jeff Bezos yacht sits idle 99% of the year with a gratis data-recovry. Then two months later, Seagate ships it back to me in a non-ESD-safe Freezer ziplok. "We do not touch "Contaminated" product. er, uh, like wow, Seagate. it says in plain clear-as-a-bell Electronic Grade Silicone adhesive on there in the first paragraph of the letter I stuck in there shipping it to them.
I was sucked-in my the crappy as it turns out, USB 2 to SATA adapter thingy which was crap.
eBay has a bug in their software, that rip-offs have automated scripting to send an email, "Shipping Label created". When the Seller never ships it, eBay code thinks it is 'in the mail', so the links to "We gothchur back." never show at all.
If only I'd cast my gaze 8mm South of the sn when installing it.
It seems odd to only judge the cost of liquid cooling on "desired performance". Some people are willing to pay more money for less noise.
FYI It should have been 1920×1080, not 1980×1080.
08:00 Typo in first calculator (not significant and doesn't change anything, just pointing it out for viewer accuracy) you accidentally typed 1980 instead of 1920
Yes to the softbox!
Yes please! We need video on soft box.
The argument for liquid cooling is for example, would a ryzen 3800x liquid cooled overclocked be pushed faster than a 3900x air cooled overclocked? Or a 3700x liquid cooled overclocked be faster than a 3800x or 3900x non overclocked air cooled?
the 4090 suprim liquid x is probably one of the better ways to get 2 4090's in a single system for 3d rendering and such.
Im paul curios actually not a "fan"
If you're at the top tier cpu/gpu you're better off spending money on a case with a vertical gpu mount, a rotated motherboard, or a desktop case instead of a tower. There are numerous reports of board and solder joint cracking on these new heavy cards even with some gpu support. It's one of the few real arguments in favor of water cooling GPUs. After that, you're better off spending money on expanding the storage and secondary capabilities of your system. What about a better motherboard with a better pcie layout or a post code reader? What about another m.2 or a 20TB 3.5in drive so you can move those games to when you're not actively playing them and not have to delete them and re-download them? Why not add a blu-ray drive? What about an internal card reader? A few more USB ports? After that, what about peripherals? How's your keyboard and mouse? What about a second display? Is your primary display good enough for you? Speakers? Headset? USB DAC/sound card? How about your desk and chair? How about a recliner? (One of the best setups is a wall mounted tv and a lazboy with a piece of shelving board as a keyboard/mouse tray.) Controller or Joystick? Do you have a UPS yet? There are many things you'd be better served spending your money on than water cooling. But those are just my opinions. RGB and water cooling are at or below the bottom of my interests when it comes to spending money on computers, if you couldn't tell already.
I'm all about custom loops now. Is it more maintenance? Yep. Will most of the components in the loop outlast the hardware? Yep. Was it fun? More fun than a root canal, but way less fun than nookie. Will I do it again? Now that I'm invested… YEP.
Had a 90 dollar ak620 air cooler got as high as 80 Celsius well gaming with 7800x3d added 140$ deep cool aio 55-60 Celsius and now since there’s not heat exhausting into my case from the air cooler my air cooled gpu temp dropped from 72/73 to 66-68 so it can’t literally extended the life of multiple parts for not much more cash
Would appreciate an assembly video indeed. I really liked your home fixing videos / how to build etc as well to be both educational and enjoyable. Gives a lot of great ideas and a good step by step feel to it as well.
Keep up the great work and have a nice day.
I'd just like to add, I'm sure Manu ppl know. But the xtx sees alot higher performance gains with extreme overclocking vs 40 series. U could start the push towards 4090 performance for raster. (Not matching it mind you, it's not that crazy, but you can get close!)
I like the satisfaction of seeing a 15°C drop in GPU temperature under an AIO, but it's just not worth the potential in extra hassle that an AIO can turn out to be when leaving the side panel off means the temperature and noise level is so much lower even with air-coolers when compared to a closed case that requires less reliable water-cooling in the long run to achieve similar results. So for the ease of maintenance and longevity, especially with how expensive high-end GPUs are, air-cooling with the side panel off is the way to go for my needs.