Let’s talk about what exactly “creature collection” is and how it differs from the broader “Monster Taming” tag that we often times use.
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It's going to be hard to beat the alliteration of the Creature Collector tag.
If you can use an aspect of a creature in battle then its tamer which is why Paper Mario (64 and the thousand year door) who's partners are clearly not human and that are very much used in battle is tamer
I recently bought one called Anode Heart I really like it so far.
The main confusion I see stems from a loud minority that believe Creature Collector being only a subgenre of Monster Taming. It's not, simple as that.
Before even fully watching this I so happy you have that triangle as I fell it's a big point that brushed a side with in are monster taming communities there to much if people arguing that it has to be Pokémon like with capture and battle or it has to be monster rancher like with raise all life aspects when really there all part of a whole
creature collector has nothing to do with battles its just collecting which is why every farming game that has no battles with the creatures as partners is in creature collector
I be more happy with having that triangle as all tags when it comes to stream so you kneow if it has battles if it has rasing if it has taming as a lot of the games we all love we all like different flavor for example I love rune factory or games that use monster catching and rasing to help you farm Ed not so much he's a more capture and combat format love I kneow no one want lots of tags but with how disvurs all the game we love are I don't fell one tag works with out sub tags
Steam employees can be randomly selective with what they let in the store, just look the game they randomly ban and the ones they let in. They've been under fire because of this a while ago, and said they'd fix their review process, but nothing seem to have changed up until now.
should put pal world in the center of that triangle lol
so when and where are you going to review them hentai creature collector games? Just kidding, unless…
I feel like correcting people isn't going to work. Genres and new language in general is determined by what's most intuitive. And currently, creature collecting seems to be the most intuitive term. It immediately evokes the idea of Pokemon, thus has risen to become gaming's copyright friendly substitute term for "Pokemon-like".
Monster battling/taming/collecting/raising are just way too specific terms to ever catch on. If anything, these communities (if these communities truly want different terms. Personally I've seen no evidence of this) would have to agree to pick ONE and stick to it.
(I personally have always used monster taming. It's general enough to catch most games in question, also evokes thoughts of Pokemon which gives players a closer idea of what to expect, and allows A LOT of wiggle room for experimentation with the genre.)
My favorite monster hunter game is big elk. So beautiful and scary am happy deers are fake.
Frankly, at this point I can't help but feel the only reason to push against coining "Monster Taming" is out of spite.
We've been calling it Monster Taming since Red & Blue and Digimon World. It's not like it's a bunch of veteran Pokemon fans that would be against it I feel.
Great video and I too was adding Tags as Monster Taming so.. guess I'll have to redo them..
I don't remember if you've covered this, but wouldn't the term "Taming" be a better fit?
1 – Since "monster" doesn't intuitively fit Mechas or Robots, for example, you got me into Botworld, but I'd say there are no Monsters there hahhahahah (P.S: You also have games in which you tame Gods, Spirits or Regular Animals);
2 – Also, most big genres are one-word long (MoBA, RPG, Fighting, Shooter, Racing, Sports..), I think people tend to prefer using one world or an Acronym and MT looks too generic to be a good acronym;
3 – If you google Taming Games, you already get Monster Sanctuary, Temtem, Coromon, Pokémon..
I still think Monster Taming is way better than Creature Collecting thou hahahah
Really odd to cross out Agumon in the thumbnail when roughly half the Digimon titles would fit into the creature collector subgenre, especially if you're targeting this video towards newer people to the genre.
which didigmon game is that on 4:17
you may have covered this games before Ed, but i just wanted to share these here anyway 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnPpfOr6ylQ Rogue Slime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOZdPD1xFzo Tales of Seikyu
As someone who was born before Pokemania, and subsequently all the other games in the genre that came after, I've got a wordy opinion from years of playing games in this genre. I'll apologize beforehand for how wordy it is and how it may sound hostile, though that is definitely not the intention.
"Monster Taming" and "Creature Collecting" serve the EXACT same purpose, even if they have numerous sub genres and end results. The goal as the player is to have fictional wildlife on the screen doing what you want them to do. What they do is up to the developers, but ultimately they all fall under he same blanket as one another. They're fictional things that react to your actions, be it yelling commands, using them as shields, spanking them to lay eggs, and whatever else. Monsters can be creatures, creatures can be monsters. Collectors tame things, tamers collect things. Rather than trying to collect everyone under one flag (which has CLEARLY worked so very well in human history), just look at it as how Terraria and Minecraft do it. Minecraft has splash text that says "Also play Terraria!", while Terraria has a window title that says "Also play Minecraft!", which is a neat little thing since these games are two entirely different behemoths. "Monster Taming (see also Creature Collector)" and "Creature Collector (see also Monster Taming)" works better than trying to force unification. Hell, there's a metal that perfectly encapsulates the problem; Aluminium. Its official name ends in -ium, but it's perfectly accepted around the world as ending in -um instead. Spell checking will get triggered by -ium, which is funny.
It just feels like unintentional gatekeeping to try and police the topic. There are obvious good intentions behind this, but it still feels subtly condescending and hostile. I get that a unified term is a desired goal, but it's not a feasible one. I use "Monster Taming" and "Monster Tamer" when describing the genre, but I won't go out of my way to say "No, it's NOT a creature collector!" when someone says that instead. The only thing "wrong" in this situation is trying to force your own opinion onto others. I'm not accusing you of doing that for the record, but just saying it in general since there are certainly zealots out there who will probably wet and soil themselves over the different names, just like some truck drivers get irrationally mad when you call their truck a car (it IS a car by definition). Even more of a silly comparison is how some anime fans react when you use the show's localized name instead of the original Japanese name, and boy can those "fans" get irrationally mad over the topic.
To add to this, using another person's comment as a basis, the quote "Most people in the monster taming community don't like creature collector as a substitute for the name of the genre." is very subjective. It's impossible to get everyone's opinion, and it's almost guaranteed that it's in a closed community setting. Again, I mean no hostility with this, but this is like saying your baked goods at a bake sale are universally liked when you only give them to your neighbors and friends. Yes, the people you choose to be around have similar opinions. No, those are not the universal opinion or the larger opinion overall, even if a Discord has hundreds or thousands of people. It's a closed community with other opinions being treated as a leak in the roof.
Again, I apologize if I sound mean or rude with this, but I genuinely don't see an issue with how people describe the genre. I have my opinion, you have your opinion, and the billions of other individuals on our planet have their own opinions. Neither title is wrong, and I'll go about calling it "Monster Taming" just like I will always use "Aluminum" and Japanese anime titles while calling every personal transportation vehicle a "car".
I tried Casette beasts. Why the archangela need to be so creepy. I was enjoying thr game until i met thr first archangel i dont want a horror game!
Tag: Palworld clone
Again, you get it the wrong way round. Monster taming is a category of creature collecting, not the other way around. Even your example, Monster Rancher, has collecting in it. You're taking the term "Creature Collector" about as literally as the people you claim take "Monster Taming" too literally.
What you SHOULD be doing is not changing the tag, just lobbying to remove it from irrelevant games, like fishing games. Fishing is its own genre, after all.
To be fair, "monster taming" is a pretty bad name too. If you're gonna be super picky and specific about it, then it needs to apply to both categories. Most of the games that would be put in these categories don't have monsters in them and "creature" fits the bill better (of the 2 words anyway), and most of them don't involve any taming because you juat dont… tame anything. Theres never a taming process, you just capture them and they're yours.
In the end, I don't care what we call them, it doesn't matter. It's just that stuff like this might give off elitist or gatekeeping vibes to people.
Does anyone know the name of the game at 1:54?
This was definitely needed, i can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard people directly compared Digimon to something like monster ranchers or even Medabots for some reason and compare them to Pokémon, now as someone who is a decent amount of knowledge in all four, I can safely say that none of them have seen those series other than Pokémon for sometime now, the conflation unreal
Ya'know, I watch you often enough, I'll go ahead and sub. You make stuff I'm interested in.
You know what is funny : the Persona series fits into the creature collecing game and doesn't have this tag at all when you check Steam.
Yeah i get it kind weird went people always say monster taming game as creature collection. Especially it just only appeal to the game with capture mechanic like pokemon.
Is not like all monster taming always have capture mechanic. Like monster rancher, Digimon "more spcifically World", or Paleo pines.
I not hate went people call the sub genre because it's the most popular take of monster taming, I just hope more variant of monster tamer genre other than creature collation. Like mecha base monster tame, or Puzzle Adventure monster tameing with out capturing.
It may sound petty to the casual observer, but this is actually incredibly important. Discovery is one of the most hindering issues about Game Development, especially on Steam, and nothing frustrates the developer and the consumer more than looking through a big list of unrelated content to try to discover the games they want to play. Without channels like this, I would have never discovered games like Nexomon, for example, and you shouldn't need to stumble across random Youtube channels to find out about a game on Steam, for example. Once more, being mixed up with a bunch of hentai games or character search games can be frustrating and even damaging to the family friendly action monster battling game.
Steam probably should get on board with Monster Taming as a genre, I understand why they want to correct it: there are a limited number of tags developers can use on their games (to prevent spamming titles in almost any genre), the more niche the tag, the less likely the tag will be used, the less likely eyes will be on it. On paper, bran new tags are a really bad idea, but for this particular case, "Creature Collection" isn't descriptive enough. I mean, the Legend of Zelda might be able to be considered a "Creature Collection" in some of their games, and it's nothing like Pokemon.
Creature Collection does have it's place outside of the games spoken in this video, I don't know how much a hot take this is, but I feel like Slime Rancher series is kind of a creature collector, Bugsnax as well.
What exactly would be "monster raising"? isnt that what we kinda do with pokemons by leveling up?
And we cannot catch monsters in monster rancher? then how we get new ones?? o.o
Great video Ed I hope it picks up traction since it the new hot debate topic nowadays lol
a true creature collector would be like a zoo
Funny how the 1st gen of Pokémon doesn't have monster raising.
Steam wants people to think its pokemon
Imagine a fishing game where you end up battling with your caught fish. 🙃
Creature collection but not raising or battling the monsters you collect: Bugsnax
Great video with a lot of interesting points. I essentially agree with every point made except for the "Monster" part. Just to preface, I'm an advocate for the term "Creature Tamer" and my main disagreement with the "Monster Taming" genre tag is the "Mon" part, for obvious reasons. The genre can't expand if every single game that falls under it is already going to be compared to you know what, and that "Mon" prefix is only going to influence those comparisons. That and I don't think there's really much a problem with fishing simulators being a part of it. As long as the game's main focus is its variety of creatures, be it bugs, ghosts, demons or animals with superpowers, whether you raise, fight, or collect them, it would fall under "Creature Tamer". Matter of fact, it broadens the genre and lessens the likelihood of comparisons being made, which it will only benefit from and makes room for more unique takes on the genre.
TL;DR – I think that whatever umbrella term we as a society collectively agree on should use the term "Creature" instead of "Monster" to avoid comparisons to you know what.
Did we won already Ed? Or steam still giving us a run for our money in this fight? Btw I sent some people from reddit your way to check your channel they're fairly new to the genre and were trying to discover other games in it and who's better than you for that eh? Hope it helped!!!
Just think…digimon could have gone the direction of palworld and become something but they chose the visual novel route.
I really wish the name of the games was shown on screen as you talk. A few of those caught my eye but there's no mention of their name anywhere in this video 🙁
That chart was a really good way of breaking it down. Well done.